GUIDE TO THE RIVER GRETA
NAME OF RIVER: Greta.
WHERE IS IT?: It flows out of the NE Lake District below Blencathra and into Keswick. It empties into the Derwent eventually.
PUT-INS/ TAKE-OUTS: Put ins/ take outs: Access at junction of Glenderamackin Beck and St John's Beck (NY315247). There is sometimes barbed wire across the Glenderamackin at the junction (covered in flood). Egress to the private car park by Keswick Climbing Wall (264239). Take care to park and change discreetly. An alternative egress point with good parking is at the footbridge over the Derwent at Portinscale (NY254237) egress to the road on the right bank.
Take out in the middle of Keswick, anywhere that suits you. One possibility is just before Keswick on the river left just after a road bridge. There is another reasonable get out spot, river right, 200 metres downstream of the Derwent/Greta confluence, 50 metres upstream from the footbridge with good parking.
APPROX LENGTH: 5 miles.
TIME NEEDED: 2 hours.
ACCESS HASSLES: Steve Lenartowicz, BCU River Advisor... (Spring 2006) 'The Keswick Anglers' Association have the fishing rights for most of the Greta and the Derwent down to Bassenthwaite Lake. There is an access agreement in operation and it is important that canoeists demonstrate their integrity by keeping to the agreement. The agreement is here.
Mike Hinson, Jan 2006...'New access agrrement allows paddling 365 days a year!!! 1st Nov - 31st Dec, water has to reach white marker on bridge at get in to protect Salmon beds.'
Cumbria canoeists have set up a website which will include access arrangements. It is at www.cumbriacanoeists.org.uk
WATER LEVEL INDICATORS: To judge the level, apply common sense at the get-in, or get a more precise reading in the centre of Keswick. Find the slate steps a short walk upstream of the footbridge in Keswick Park; the bottom step should be covered as a minimum. If theyre all covered you are on for a wild ridetake another look at your group. The Greta is amazingly continuous Grade 3 in these conditions, highly recommended but dont underestimate it!
Mike Hinson, Jan 2006...'White marker on bridge at get in...on/above this will be spate trip, gets more technical below this mark. Paddleable to 1ft below mark.'
There's an online EA Gauge for the Greta at Low Briery. Calibrations are roughly - Low: 0.70m, Medium: 0.85m, High: 1.10m.
GRADING: Grades 2 and 3. In spate it has remarkably long sections of Grade 3.
MAJOR HAZARDS/ FALLS: Plenty of trees encroaching upon the river. Barbed wire fences were a hazard in spate. Weirs.
The Greta is followed along its length by a disused railway track, which makes a convenient portage path, viewing gallery or even shuttle run/ cycle route if you have any fitness nuts in your group.
Launch on the downstream side of the bridge via a short path down to the river.
Flat water begins the trip, taking you under the first of many disused railway bridges. Although Keswick and the A66 are close to hand, you wouldnt know itthe valley is shrouded in gorgeous woodland, with the peaks of Blencathra and then Skiddaw towering above. Plus, sheep. Lots of sheep. The Greta eases up to Grade 2 in the first kilometre, until the Magnetic Rock rapid is reached, the first of many Grade 3 rapids. This is simple enough, follow the chute down on the right towards an awkwardly placed rock and try to conjure up a way around it.
The next notable rapid is more challenging, a long series of little drops where rocks channel the current from side to side with numerous eddies to catch. Just below this rapid you wont fail to spot The Wallthe Greta bends sharp right, forming a cushion wave on the bend. In spate its quite an obstacle, my entire University club once swam here simultaneouslyreally!
The next two harder sections are old weirs which have collapsed into rocky rapids. Watch out for metal debris from the weirs in the riverbed. The first weir produces quite a big rapid in spate. The second gives a choice of heading left of an island and dropping over the steep weir sill, or right down a more enjoyable rocky rapid.
A steep bouncy series of waves leads you down beneath the A66 bridge high above and with the river high, you really could be in Austria. You next pass under Forge Bridge where the Gretas best playspot lurksa stopper with convenient eddy service becomes a hard-to-catch surf wave in spate.
You are now sinking into the outskirts of Keswick. Rock reefs around a small island form a final Grade 3 rapid and then you float under innumerable bridges through the centre of town. There is a small but seemingly harmless(?) ledge weir to negotiate, but the river is spent. You have a choice of finish points. First is to egress on the left to the private car park by Keswick Climbing Wall (GR 264239), where you need to park and change discreetly. An alternative egress point with good parking is to paddle a further kilometre to the confluence with the River Derwent and then take out at the Portinscale bridge (NY 254237) egress to the road on the right bank.
OTHER NOTES: Alan Brenton adds...(May 2002) I'd agree with most of your comments However, the Greta can be serious beyond its grade in high water. It is the scene of lots of lost boats every season. On full tonk it carries lots of water with many of the lower rapids joining up. At this kind of level it's big fun for teams who are comfortable on Alpine type sections (in May, not August!) but if you cock it up you need to sort very quickly - very long swims await the unwary!'
Colin Curwen notes..'We paddled the river in October 1998 and remember it as you have described. The water was low when we ran it and while it was enjoyable enough it was a scrape in places. The first weir was particularly rocky and my friend managed to get himself stuck half way down the river left of the weir (In low water river left would be the more sensible option). We egressed just after the A66 Road Bridge as the rest of the river on into Keswick looked too low to be interesting.'
Anyone paddled the Derwent? Also, there are some interesting tributaries to the Greta which have been paddled...anyone able to tell us about them?
Also, read Andy Weeks' spate trip report.
CONTRIBUTED BY: Mark Rainsley, Nigel Timmins, Alan Brenton, Mike Hinson, Steve Lenartowicz, Robin Simpson and Colin Curwen (LMUCC - ThinkDrink).
The Lake District National Park and contractors have done a good job to remove two damaged bridges - one of which was a dangerous syphon. One remaining bridge is fenced off and you are advised by the authorities against paddling under this as it "is in imminent danger of collapse".
Trees remain a very real hazard and as has been noted - general opinion is that the river is now a more committing and difficult paddle than before the big flood of December 2015. Also a lot more fun!
"lakesboy" wrote:simple really on the 25th Jan WE found the gauge saying medium on rainchasers BUT when we arrived at put in it was below white line indicating that the gauge was not showing the actual river level
It is possible that the gauge hadn't updated from the day before. The level was ~1.2m (the top end of low) for most of the day until ~6pm when it rose a bit.
Before the floods medium was the white line was at about 0.95m, and the 'medium' range was: 0.9 - 1.1m.
Based on the information I have, since the floods, the white line is at about ~1.3m so medium was increased to 1.25 - 1.45m to keep everything relative.
I suspect that the white line may actually be ~1.35m, so assuming that the gauge has settled down, maybe the calibrations all need another 0.05m adding to them?
All input appreciated by the way :-) Thanks!
I have had a few reports from people though saying that they’ve paddled it at 1.3 and its been a scrape, with others at 1.25 and it’s been fine. I’m not sure if this is because the gauge is a bit temperamental (i.e. 1.3 on some days is not the same as 1.3 on others), or just because of people’s personal opinion. I know that a couple of sections of the river are wider/shallower, therefore might feel more scrapey, even though the rest of the river is fine – I don’t know if this might be further fuelling the divide in opinion?
"lakesboy" wrote:paddled saturday with group and the gauge is definately not working properly, it said 1.25 medium on rainchasers BUT upon arriving at get in the water was below the white marker on the bridge and the trip was scrape at best. with the new changes water needs to be at least 5cm above the white line to be a good trip. all new river features/changes etc were fine and free of any debris.
I have to totally disagree with this post.
The Brundholme river guage is working just fine, as we have checked the physical reading on the stick with the electronic read out on the EA and given on Rainchasers as being exactly the same.
What has changed is the Rainchasers advice as to what constitutes the different levels of Scrape , Low , high etc.
Tim Burne has made a first stab as to how the new calibration guides refer to what may be found on the river post Dec flood and these have been advised by local paddlers with experience at all levels pre and post flood. They are however a first stab and are not set in stone.
The White mark at the put in on Threlkeld corresponds now to 1.3 on the guage and is a good medium level with some powerful water in places.
1.23 is 9" below the white mark and is still a good low level. It is nowhere near a scrape at this level so confirming that the new 1.09 is probably about right as the transition from scrape to Low.
More input is always welcome on this but to say that the trip was scrape at 1.25 in just not realistic and to say the water needs to be 5cms above the line for a good trip is purely personal preference and not helpful advice.
We paddled today at 1.23 and never bottomed out anywhere on rocks or scraped !! It was a good low water trip with the new rapids offering great technical paddling. Much more of a slalom course course in places to find a clear route but that's what makes the Greta such a good river whatever level you paddle it at.