Anglers & SOT Kayaks

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Anglers & SOT Kayaks

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Hi everyone, my first post so just testing the Water.
I noticed a thread that seem to suggest Anglers & Sea kayakers are not always getting along too well & that SOT kayaks are not really percieved as real Kayaks, more beach toys correct me if I am wrong.

I have just purchased a Rockpool Allaw Bach from a member of this Forum & am looking forward to getting out of the Yorkshire coast with it soon, I Have been paddling a SOT angling Kayak for 3 years now & regularly cover between 10 & 20 miles in a days fishing & have fished up to 4 miles offshore in the north sea, but in a quest to improve my skills I spent a couple of days with Gordon Brown at Skyak & joined the local Canoe & Kayak club, I am enjoying it immensly & certainly learned a lot already. Ultimatly i intend to use the Allaw to keep fit in winter & do a bit of touring in Summer, but first love is the fishing, so will continue to spend a lot of tme on that.

with the massive growth in SOT kayaks & fishing in the UK am interested to know why it seems to be ignored by the BCU & looked down on by Sea Kayakers ?

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Greetings Spawney,

Thats a nice set up you have there. I also have a SOT but it's really just a poly "beach toy" compared with yours. As far as I am concerned it's all paddling.


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spawneydave wrote:Hi everyone, my first post so just testing the Water.
I noticed a thread that seem to suggest Anglers & Sea kayakers are not always getting along too well & that SOT kayaks are not really percieved as real Kayaks, more beach toys correct me if I am wrong.
Great photos impressive catches there.
I wouldn’t like to be included in such a general way; I have found such to be generally friendly they acknowledge us and we have conversations, on and off the water.
You never know folks we might all need some help out there one day.
The recent moan is some disgraceful and criminal conduct from a minority of shore based fishing cowards who are currently casting out at paddlers.
Good luck with the new kayak your SOT looks like the bees knees possibly with more kit than I have!
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Yep, it's all paddling - not quite sure where you get the idea that SOT's are ignored by the BCU though - they're certainly included as acceptable craft in the star syllabus.

There is a subtle difference between a craft used as a fishing platform, and a craft from which some fishing occasionally takes place of course. I doubt that many of the folk who use a SOT essentially as a fishing boat see themselves as sea kayakers.

You siad "Anglers & Sea kayakers are not always getting along too well" - I've never seen any evidence to suggest that though although I've been shouted at by some angler on the Solway to advise me of his line in the water. Which I hadn't seen. I suppose I could have shouted back to suggest that he should remove his line as it was hindering navigation.

But life's too short.

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I know quite a few paddlers who have both sots and sea kayaks (as well as short play boats and surf kayaks). They switch between them depending on what they are up to.

You can now do 3* using a SOT and I hear a 4* sea for sots has been piloted.

Level 1 coach courses- sots are just one of many craft coaches get to try and use on most courses. Aim was to see the advantages of different craft. Quite a few experienced sea coaches are very pro sot. Nigel Dennis for instance helped push the 3 star to include sots.

What I find fascinating is that we are now getting anglers out on the water. I've met some who go and “play” with the rocks or surf when nothing is biting. A few recently did level 1 coach. It is certainly helping to break down barriers.

The comment about problems with sea anglers when kayaking should be seen in perspective. Our harbour master told me that boat owners and yachting people also report incidents of lures/weights being cast as they enter harbours. Regrettably it is a minority who generate the bad feeling.

Our sot courses are the most popular. We see an increasing number of sot kayakers wanting to learn more and also try a closed cockpit sea kayak.

Sadly I do come across visiting clients who remark that they did not feel very welcomed at their local club. However, clubs in different areas may well tend to specialise in certain aspects of paddle sport- sprint/marathon/slalom/ surf/sea etc and this may therefore be a specialism issue and not anti sot.

In the past speed and handling of sots has been an issue. This is often based on people using short sots. Move up to some of the longer sots like the ones in the photos and it is a different story. I guess its a good example of how we should be open minded and try different craft. There are certainly times when I'd rather be in my sot and others times in my Nordkapp.

In some cases the marketing of sots has been so successful that we get comments like “you can't capsize them” -usually as the paddler bobs back up after falling in!

The sots in the photo are, if I am correct, Kazkadi? A design coming out of the South African racing scene with dimensions similar to some closed cockpit sea kayaks. Nice to paddle.

We are all paddlers. Next time you see a sot kayaker or closed cockpit sea kayaker take time to say hi.

What a great catch!

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Hi all, along with our good mate Lindasfarne (no guessing were he's from) we are Daves paddling buddies and like him we thoroughly enjoy fishing off kayaks, think we are up to about 70 sea launches this year so far. I started the other way around, paddling play boats down the Yorkshire rivers and occassionaly a few short trips on the Yorkshire coast too.

We are all enjoy the paddling as much as the fishing these days, yes those yaks are Kaskazi Dorados imported by our dear friend Simon Everett. They are very stable and fairly wide compared to most Sots - think at about 24" wide. Good fun and do handle like a true sea kayak though, edging, skulling etc. Good fun when the water comes over the gunnels too lol. Most of us dont bother with the rudder unless theres a good following sea on, they do tend to try and windcock a little in those conditions. Keep saying i'm going to have a session rolling it but of course I would have to strap myself in. Simon Everett got a few people talking last year when we did the Eddystone Challenge together - he did it in a Kaskazi Marlin SOT, much similar to a Dorado but just a slightly slimmer hull.

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I recently joined the North Wales Kayak Fishing forum and have been made very welcome in comments from the administrators and to some questions I posted.
Gear wise they are using the same type of clothing, safety gear and paddles; it's only the boats that are really different, and it's interesting to read their reviews of stuff.
When we have been on trips around the Orme or Anglesey we have always stopped to have a chat with any fishermen we see on the water. I think beach and pier anglers see us all in a different way.
And never, ever, paddle on the Leeds to Liverpool Canal when there's a fishing match on. You would need a kevlar drysuit to go past those fishermen.

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Perhaps a bit off topic but there is also the surfski now appearing around our coastline which is also a sit on top. See the recent edition of BCU Canoe Focus.

I know quite a few sot anglers are on this site now.

Here are a couple sites which can be very informative if you are getting into kayak fishing or are looking for sot reviews etc. Plenty of all of us to share and learn. All the sites are very into safety afloat.

http://www.anglersafloat.co.uk/

http://www.northwaleskayakfishing.co.uk/

http://www.kayakfishingnz.com/

http://www.whitbyseaanglers.co.uk/

http://www.kayakfishinguk.net/

http://www.topkayaker.net/index.html

http://www.kayakfishing.co.uk/ Currently an interesting article on why a sot paddler and fisherman switched to a Greenland paddle

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I have recently been getting into sea kayaking and have doe a few trips on the west coast of scotland.

We were circumnavigating Islay at the end of april begining of may and spent our afternoons trying to fish with crab lines. To no avail. we are all terible at fishing at the best of times.

I think If there were more cennections between the two ideas then more people would be willing to accept these, i mean i would like to know more ways of fishing and when the best times to fish are, as this could be highly helpfull on expeditions.

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It's good to see a few fellow anglers on the forum. Like Ken and Dave I do a lot of fishing form my Kazkazi Dorado but I also have a SK and enjoy just going out for a paddle without the fishing gear.

Paddling, fishing, surfing. As long as your safely on the water it can't be a bad thing...


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Mornin' all ;D

I know what you mean Dave but I think it's mellowed somewhat this year. That said, Richi going around the IOW on his Scupper Pro (which Simon put up) was deleted the first time and the second time he went around it got hardly any comments. SOT's, however good, are regarded as 'lacking in purity' it always seems to me...and the people in them are invariably seen as amateurs, which of course is not totally unfair. It's quite interesting now as the kayak fishing scene has a 'core' that are starting to get more and more into the paddling and more advanced stages of skill / planning and generally pushing the boundaries that is starting to build. Me? I just want to get my arse wet at every opportunity and in pretty much any conditions (105 launches so far this year)...and if I eat some more cod that evening so much the better ;D
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I have both SOT and Sit in kayak, Enjoy fishing from the SOT and going places in the Sea Kayak. When its hot in the summer the SOT gets my vote, fish swim and snorkel off. But when its cold the Sit in is favourite. If you want to extend your SOT and fishing experience try Anglers Afloat, our next meeting is Dec 5th in Poole harbour, for flounder.

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This is also my first post on this forum I'd just like to say it's good to see some familiar names Dave and Ken like Dave and Ken I to like my fishing from the sit on top kayaks they also for the last 12 months have been paddling sit inside sea touring kayaks I think like Dave and Ken it's horses for courses sit on top is is a great platform to fish from but lacks the performance if you need to cover any distance and it's had this reason only that I'm on a concentrate on the sit inside the majority of my paddling but i must admit the throug of capsise did put me off a little bit but after joining the club in getting some proper coaching that's no more a worry and now I just enjoy the paddle. I think a lot was said on top guys are moving on to the sit in sites in a hope to extend our capabilities

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