RIVER IRWELL (Rawtenstall to the Burrs)

North of the Severn drainage, west of the Pennines
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Re: RIVER IRWELL (Rawtenstall to the Burrs)

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Anyone know if the recent rain has brought Burrs up enough to float on yet?
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Had a mooch around the Burrs section (from the wier) Sun 18th. Fair bit of water, thought it would be really big but not a bad little run.
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EA Gauge Calibration

37cm = Burrs is low but can be paddled without scraping.
42cm = High Low level. Rammie run just possible. May be a scrape in places.
75cm = High level. Big weir only doable down the steps which will have turned into just 2 big steps.
78cm = High Level. Broken weir all the way across river with very small eddy. Possible backloop on wave in Nutall gorge in playboats! TNT wave working. Big weir only doable down steps.
118cm = BIG! Wave under Burrs road bridge working as a playspot. Broken weir surfable from either side of river. Everything else washed out at Burrs. Big weir was a no go!

Here’s a link to the page that the data comes from -

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/ho ... ionId=5026
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Nice job Rick.....

That's the most useful bit of info I've seen for ages.
I get upto the Burss fairly often and it's a pain to judge the level. It runs off really quickly and drops to low level even after a good down pour.

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4pm thu.
Spate!
Running fast from rawtenstall-
Tribs,eg Ogden running also
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118cm and rising!
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I'll be there tomorrow morning and prob run some of the tribs and other becks in the area. if anyone is interested 07527548876, will be meeting at 10.30
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Dropped right down according to ea website 78cm
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Took a group on short trip Summerseat- Burrs today with EA gauge on 42cm.
There was plenty of water & I would have put it at a reasonable/ non-scrappy medium level - very few rocks visible.
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Despite the large number of shopping trollies littering the river I had a really nice paddle today at the Burrs site.

The EA water gauge showed a steady 0.40 metres throughout our stay and all of the site was floatable in the main flow, if a little shallow around the banks and shingle beds. There were nice lines down all features including the old wier which went nicely on the RH side.
Even saw some brave souls shooting the big wier at the top of the site, which they made look easy. I'll have to try that next time.

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/ho ... ionId=5026

The only other times I've been here its been well above 1 metre and not suitable for novices. At this level the Burrs site makes an excellent training venue, with a good cheep cafe. Will be bringing more people here.

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Good levels all weekend I would think. med-high friday & persistant rain all day today should keep it up.
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There is currently a tree blocking river left of middle arch under the restaurant at Summerseat. At least one other arch is passable.
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Big Tree blocking arch 2 and 3 at summerseat? approch and walk along bank and look - can go river left - did at 0.6m if above 0.7 or 8 is a trap hazards approach slow id post pic if could.

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See here for an update following the December 2015 floods and collapse of the pub.
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Hi Folks, Wigan Canoe group paddled the Irwell from Ewood Bridge (SD 796 209) to Burrs on
Friday 4/8/17 level 0.36. We knew the level was low, but made the best of it. From Ewood to Ramsbottom was very pleasant grade 1/2 paddling, with lots of small weirs that would
need respect at higher levels. I had not done this section before and was suprised at its quality. At Ramsbottom we did not shoot the main weir but turned up
a concrete shute on the right. This is a bit tight at the end with bushes and debris, but
a nice slide down at the end is good fun.Nothing of note until Nuttall Park and the Grade 3
gorge.Lots of rocks seem to have moved since the floods. NOTE. A TREE HAS FALLEN ACROSS
THE RIVER HALFWAY DOWN THE GORGE. We got past it ok on the left. but it could be a problem at higher flows. At this low level the Gorge was a rock bash, but good fun, and the run down to
Burrs was enjoyable. It would have been better if the level had been a minimum say of 0.6, but this was still an excellent paddle.SteveH. WCG.
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Take care of the tree just under the water about 200Mt up stream of the Foot bridge with the pipe.

It runs from river left into the middle and is just under the water at higher levels.

There is overhanging tree river right so you will tend to go left at this point.

It really caught and pinned a boat.

AlI was well in the end, nobody hurt, apart from pride and confidence but it took 3 and a 1/2 hours to eventually get the boat out.
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Ramsbottom to Bury
Level 0.61m rose to 0.89m in 2hrs whilst paddling.

Had been watching levels all morning from 7.30 they went from 0.54 to 0.56 0.57 climbed steady in an hour in 2 to 3 hours they'd climbed by 0.5 to 0.6 so I predicted the same while kayaking I expected to peak at 0.65 or maybe extreme 0.68 all these in our margins of comfort.

We got on at Nutall park it was ok until we rounded the first corner under the iron bridge. The flow then channeled in the gorge with walls. The waves were here maybe 2 to 3ft high like breakers the river flew through here.

We got through here and the regrouped did the long bend to left under sewer pipe then went right this led us on to the section with high cliff on left this flows then river drops steep to the right.

This was a difficult section and there were obstacles.

The margin for error was too little. We had a swimmer a new guy and I think he was good to handle up to 0.65m.

But we had not expected a mini flash flood we encountered.

We stopped at the sand bank on left just before summerseat bridge.

J got out through a hole in wall and walked to summerseat park. Leader B rescued the boat and I looked after swimmer. He decided he would get off,. I agreed so 2 kayakers waited at Summerseat park.

5 people continued, in hind site the rest of the river was ok and the sun came out the rain stopped and the river was more friendly manageable.

I believe the others actually could of stayed on and managed the rest.

Future do not paddle above 0.7m
Do not go above summerseat park with new people unless it's 0.48 to 0.5m
If you do the full run at above 0.65 everyone must be self sufficient and capable know the rescues and risks.

I could not have predicted the level of rain if in future check weather meaning the rain is light subsiding.

However, if there are significant downfalls and the levels will rise significantly to 0.75 plus I recommend only do Summerseat down, miss the Weir, steep gorges as their are tree hazards and rescue almost impossible in the gorge section. There are long swims with no way of getting back up river.

0.7 above - Summerseat.
0.75 Rammy only very experienced kayakers. With knowledge of no hazards.
I'd paddle it 0.55 once then in a week or so go back higher.
0.75 just don't bother in future.



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Gauge was Burry ground

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Re: RIVER IRWELL (Rawtenstall to the Burrs)

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Hazards - can anyone help or report -
Location 800 m into nutall park in the gorge -
Two significant trees down from Nutall park to Burrs the first is in the gorge looks like caused by by building works is not paddle-able above 0.5m as they are right across river and no passage - very difficult to avoid at higher water - we could get out and walk around with allowance to do so if faster would be flushed into it.
Needs reporting
Location 2nd tree maybe here -
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53.637070, -2.310157
Huge tree 2 km from Nutall park see pics hard to explain where this is its near Summerseat though 500 m before maybe - the bridge before old pub.
This is huge right across river trapped on bridge piles centre right across river nearly small gap river right - Do not run above 0.5m unless you are very experienced -
At above 0.5m it would be extremely dangerous.
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Re: RIVER IRWELL (Rawtenstall to the Burrs)

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My understanding is that the Environment Agency have a duty to clear trees that may block the river, either directly or by accumulating debris, sufficiently to increase the flood risk. Report obstructions on their free 24-hour incident hotline on 0800 80 70 60. They have no duty to keep the river clear for passage, except on a recognised Navigation, so if the trees are not a flood risk obstruction they may not do anything.
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