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Post by SteveA » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:52 pm

Am seriously thinking of ordering a Lomo Renegade drysuit. Have read the reviews (including latest OP) and all seems good but has anyone here actually tried one yet?

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Post by runswick2000 » Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:32 pm

Buy it.

Couldn't imagine you'd ever regret it. I've only used mine once for a 3 hour paddle (including an hour spent doing rescue practise stuff) and it is supremely comfy, warm and dry.....does what it says on the label and all for £250. I even pulled my boat up a long steep hill at the end and ran all the way to see how sweaty I could get it. It was dry as a bone!

Of course, I do own a majority shareholding in the company.........(I wish)

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Post by Owen » Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:58 pm

I'm another one singing their praise; really pleased with mine.

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Post by SteveA » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:03 pm

That's pretty definite. Cheers both, I think the decision is made!

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Post by adrian j pullin » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:32 pm

Can anyone comment on the sizing, please?

I am right on the line between their Large and XL. I generally don't like kit too tight, so should I get the XL. I am 6' and 13.5stone (~185cm, 85kg). Anyone about this size got one and can tell me how it fits?

Also, are they going to be at Canoe Expo?

BTW: Web link: http://www.ewetsuits.com/acatalog/kayak ... suits.html

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Post by runswick2000 » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:38 pm

Same as me, 6 foot and 13.5 stone, hummed and ahed about L / XL, got the large and it's perfect, arms just right length when sat down and paddling, not too baggy in body etc etc.

It really is very hard to fault.
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Post by ian johnston » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:52 pm

You've probably made the decision to go ahead and buy a Renegade, but just another vote for a terrific piece of kit. I'm used to buying mountaineering kit, and compared to that, the quality, materials, design and price of Lomo's kit is simply stunning. Think three-layer Goretex from a few years ago (when they made the stuff to last) and you'll be about there. The detail and construction are excellent, as are the zips in use. Makes you wonder what kind of profit Palm et al are making when their suits are twice the price, and as for Kokatats £750 suit.....

I was speaking to Bruce at Lomo a couple of days ago; seems they've a new batch of fleece undersuits due in a couple of weeks, and following feedback the cut will be a little less baggy and the zip will be two-way so you can go pee-pee. This is how it's supposed to be - a company who listen and adapt quickly following feedback!

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Post by cj » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:44 am

I would get a Renegade dry suit tomorrow. If only it wasn't YELLOW

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Post by NeilG » Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:13 pm

cj wrote:I would get a Renegade dry suit tomorrow. If only it wasn't YELLOW
It's much easier to see you when you are swimming!!

I'm going over to yellow or orange garments as the blue colour on the Palm Kaikoura PFD clashes with just about everything else. Terribly vain I know, but I'm sure it could make you ill. At least that is what I am telling my wife any way.
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Post by RichJ » Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:04 pm

........ And another satisfied customer!

I bought my suit just before the Perth show. I have been using the suit just about every weekend since and including a lot of (planned) "wet work" I am really pleased with the quality and performance of the suit and support from Lomo.

My suit is a "large". I am 6' (and a bit); 13 stone (ok, add a bit for Xmas). The fit is perfect.

Please pm if I can help any further.

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Post by CaptainSensible » Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:08 pm

Are there any problems/gripes with latex socks versus conventional/breathable waterproof fabric ones?

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Post by Owen » Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:01 pm

I think I'm right in saying that the gripes are with the taped seams on breathable fabric socks; they get a lot of pressure and quite often fail. Also if you put a neoprene boot over them, how breathable will they really be?

Drysuits alway used to have latex sock, breathable socks haven't been around all that long, so I think Lomo are really just staying with the tried and tested.

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Post by CaptainSensible » Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:26 pm

I agree about the breathability of fabric socks being irrelevant. I'm more concerned about the ick/comfort factor with latex etc. (why not use neoprene?), and whether latex socks (and gloves) need the care/upkeep that latex wrist and neck seals do.

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Post by chud » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:04 pm

Wear normal socks under the latex ones, extra insulation and something to wick/control sweat. Socks are supposed to last much longer than seals because they dont get stretched over heads/hands and they are rarely exposed to sunlight.

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Post by chris-uk » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:45 am

(why not use neoprene?)
Because then your drysuit is no longer a dry suit. Neoprene isn't fully watertight and would need a coating of something to make it so, therefore using neoprene to make the sock means you have an area of the suit where water ingress may occur, hence your drysuit is no longer dry.

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Post by adrian j pullin » Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:31 pm

Hi,

My main concern over size on kit (and clothes) is arm length. I was given the wrong arms when I was made, so mine have gorilla length Are the arms on the large suit long?

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Post by runswick2000 » Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:43 pm

My Granny always described me as a 'strapping lad' (though I'm no knuckle dragger) and the suit is plenty long enough for me. It's not excessive but I shouldn't imagine you'd have a problem.
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Don’t forget your local specialist kayak/canoe shop

Post by orton1966 » Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:12 pm

A lot is being made of the value of the Lomo kit, with at least one person in the thread questioning the levels of profit Palm and kokatat are making.

Well in comparison to Lomo they are making no more profit per item, probably less. Remember most manufactures have to factor in a margin for the dealers. You know those nice shops were you can go, get (generally) good advice, see, smell, touch and try on the product. Plus these bigger manufacturers spend a lot of money developing and testing products, generally raising the standard of everything we use.

I’m not decrying what Lomo are doing because from what I hear they do a good job. However when we hail something as fantastic value we have to consider everything we are getting for the price, availability and dealer support being just as valid as the physical item. Not that I’m accusing the guy’s at Lomo but it is also easy for a small company to follow the innovations the bigger companies are doing and also bring them to market, in effect benefiting from the big company’s R&D budget.

In relative terms Kayaking/canoeing is a young sport, I don’t consider myself old, yet I can remember when the only place/time I could see most specialist products in one place was at Crystal Palace once a year. We now benefit from some really good specialist shops where you can see a massive range of gear under one roof, It would truly frighten you to know the total value of stock these shops hold in order to provide the service they do.

So whilst the guys at Lomo and others who only supply direct do a good job, don’t forget to support your local specialist kayak/canoe shop.

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Re: Don’t forget your local specialist kayak/canoe shop

Post by runswick2000 » Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:36 pm

orton1966 wrote:So whilst the guys at Lomo and others who only supply direct do a good job, don’t forget to support your local specialist kayak/canoe shop.
They don't only supply direct, they also have a shop and all of the associated overheads.........and I've visited it, it's tiny (presumably to keep costs low and hence prices for the customer low also).

To be honest I'm not convinced by your argument, sure LOMO probably have a smaller R&D budget, however, as a proportion of their turn-over it's probably a similar fraction.

Bottom line is, LOMO produce good kit at a budget price. Stuff I've had from other manufacturers (Kags, BAs, decks etc ) has often been poorly designed in comparison, there's no excuse for that, particularly if, as you suggest they have such huge R&D budgets.

Each producer wil have their own business model; each buyer their own priorities.

Simple as that, so don't go expecting me to sympathise with anyone who can't provide good kit which is fit for purpose and give service to back it up (which LOMO does both over the phone and in the shop).
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Post by SteveA » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:09 pm

I seem to have struck gold on this thread with all the sound advice offered but since I've never worn a drysuit before can someone confirm, as I assume is the case, that if a suit has integral socks (whether breathable or latex) that there's no separate seal around the ankle? In other words, does your foot just slip in without the same struggling involved in wrist/neck seals on dry-cags? Also, are drysuits suitable for summer use with minimal base layer or just plain too hot?

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Post by YvonneB » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:18 pm

As to the sock question , yes, they have no separate seal.

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Post by SteveA » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:32 pm

Thanks Yvonne.

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Post by soundoftheseagull » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:36 pm

Also, are drysuits suitable for summer use with minimal base layer or just plain too hot?
I find that on very warm summer days which are not too often that the dry suit replicates an Uncle Bens Boil in the bag product.
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Post by SteveA » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:38 pm

Cheers Dave.

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Post by CaptainSensible » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:42 pm

The amount of breathability and thermal insulation varies from drysuit to drysuit. When paddling on cold water, you must wear enough insulation under the drysuit.

You might get a little warm if you wear a drysuit during the summer/warm days, but surely you would only do such a thing if the water was too cold/getting wet isn't desirable (e.g. Scotland in May/June)?

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Post by journeyman » Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:34 pm

I had hoped to take a look at the Renegade at the canoexpo, but Lomo are not on the exhibitors list.
Wondered if anyone could answer a few queries for me.
Does it have any pockets, as none are mentioned on Lomos website. I assume entry is through the back of the suit, is the zip across the shoulders?
If so, does it feel like a metal rod across your back like some others I have tried, or is the zip comfy and unobtrusive?
Any other user feedback/comments, so far seems a good value product.

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Post by TaysideTom » Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:54 pm

CaptainS - our individual body temperature behaviour and operating conditions vary quite a bit from person to person. I generally tend to overheat, and don't often feel the cold (I have quite a bit of physiologically integrated insulation...) but this means that paddling in even moderately warm conditions but very cold water, where immersion for more than a few minutes would be very serious, is a real dilemma.

I often paddle on the East coast of Scotland where you can get really hot in direct sunlight while the water is less than 5 degrees, so I struggle with this one. A palm aleutian cag is great for autumn to spring, but way too warm in May - August. I suspect that (for me) the same would apply to a drysuit. But I still wouldn't want to take a swim without decent thermal protection.

This is partly why, as I said on the other thread about drysuit vs cag, I have gone for the bib/cag rather than a suit. Being able to vary the top to suit the conditions makes a big difference.

Cornholio described the effects of seriously overheating (while paddling in Scotland) a little while ago. It's definitely something to avoid.

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Post by adrian j pullin » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:36 pm

I also tend to overheat but cooling off is not that hard. You can always take a quick roll.

The other thing I find is that head covering is the easiest way to control temp. Putting a hat on or taking it off makes a big difference and is easy to carry.
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Post by ian johnston » Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:13 pm

Journeyman,

No, the Renegade doesn't have pockets, and yes the zip is across the shoulders. The zip is a diving grade TIZIP and waterproof to a depth we all hope we'll never have to test! It doesn't feel too obtrusive across the shoulders, and is protected by a flap of material with velcro closure so that your PFD won't snag on it. The relief zip (thankfully) has no flap/velcro - which is the last thing you want down there!

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Post by Bruce » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:33 pm

Unfortunately we are not allowed to attend the canoexpo event. This is being run by Brookbank and as such they say the event would not work with other retailers.
They may change it next year and allow other retailers and manufacturers to attend.
Sorry about that.
If anybody has any questions or suggestions about our kit please feel free to email us.

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