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Petrel Play SG

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Has anyone here built a Petrel Play SG? Been mulling this over for a couple of years now and very tempted to have a crack at it this spring.
Would be interested to hear any others experiences of the building process and the finished kayak.
https://www.fyneboatkits.co.uk/kits/kay ... -and-glue/

I’ll be building from plans rather than kit.

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I haven't paddled one of these, but you should have a lot of fun in the Petrel Play, and stitch and glue is a quick and simple means of construction. The Petrel Play is a descendant of the famous line of kayaks originally designed by Mat Broze of Mariner Kayaks, USA, 35 years ago.
http://www.marinerkayaks.com/Coasterw.html

The Coaster rapidly achieved cult status, and has been an inspiration for several other designs. One in particular, with permission from Mariner Kayaks, is the F1 from Bryan Hansel of Cape Falcon Kayaks:
http://www.capefalconkayak.com/f1.html

Nick Schade credits the influence of the Coaster in the Petrel Play here: "I took a lot of inspiration from the old Mariner “Coaster” designed by the Broze brothers."
https://www.instructables.com/id/Making ... ood-Kayak/

With a history like that, and a highly skilled and talented designer like Nick Schade, you could hardly do better.
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Thanks Nick. Some great info there. I’ve ordered the build manual and will take it from there.
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I expect you've viewed this time-lapsed video of the construction. It's from a kit, but once you've cut the plywood to shape the procedure will be the same:

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Pedro75 wrote:Has anyone here built a Petrel Play SG? Been mulling this over for a couple of years now and very tempted to have a crack at it this spring.
Would be interested to hear any others experiences of the building process and the finished kayak.
https://www.fyneboatkits.co.uk/kits/kay ... -and-glue/

I’ll be building from plans rather than kit.

Cheers
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I am looking to build a cedar strip boat. Does anyone know of a good supplier for the wood?
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Pitchpole wrote:
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I am looking to build a cedar strip boat. Does anyone know of a good supplier for the wood?
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When I built my strip boat, I took Nick Crowhurst's advice and made it from Paulownia, which is strong, but noticeably lighter than cedar. It was a good choice - I much prefer the lighter colour and obviously also greatly appreciate the reduced weight of the end product. I got it from Fyne Boats - cost me about £400 for enough wood to make a full-length sea kayak, all sawn into strips with bead and cove profile for easier assembly. Their website still has Paulownia on it, but doesn't mention pre-sawn strips, so it would be worth giving them a call to check. Since then, I know Nick has made the same boats out of cedar which he got a lot cheaper, but didn't come with bead and cove profile. He reckoned it wasn't too difficult to shape each strip to fit with a few careful passes of a block plane.

https://www.fyneboatkits.co.uk/supplies/wood/paulownia/

They sell cedar too, and although I've never bought it from them, I'd definitely recommend them as they're quick and efficient and always had the best prices when I was shopping around for other stuff - e.g. marine ply.

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Thanks. I have found another supplier but more than you have mentioned. I'll contact them.
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Hi,

Not the Play, but I've built a Petrel SG. Kit came from Fyne boats and I built it in their workshop so I received loads of superb help and advice.

My build blog is on their forum: https://forum.fyneboatkits.co.uk/viewtopic.php?id=479

and the launch: https://forum.fyneboatkits.co.uk/viewtopic.php?id=489

Absolutely love paddling her.

If you've any questions about the build I'd be more than happy to try to answer them.

Al

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Thanks Al,
I saw your boat on the fine kits forum a week or to ago. It looks great. I really like the paint, great colour choice!
I have been thinking about building the full size petrel since I got the manual a week or so ago. It looks great.
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Well, a little bit of progress - I’ve just ordered the plans! At this rate I might complete it by 2030.

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.....and they’ve arrived! First job was to cut the long roll into separate sheets. Exciting stuff. Makes me feel 11 years old again.
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Anyone know a source of epoxy compatible wood stain/dye? I’m tempted to copy the black Petrel Play SG built by Joey Schott....
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Great, thanks Nick.

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That looks quite nice and shiny!

Regular epoxy does not polish well, and is not well UV stabilised for a finish coat, obviously adding pigment will help UV stabilisation, but I have previously used clear XCR coating resin from easycomposites when I wanted a polishable stabilised clear finish. I notice they also do a black version of XCR which is meant as a base coat to use before applying carbon fibre sheathing (to ensure the natural colour of the whatever is being sheathed doesn't show through the weave of the cloth). It is not clear if this can be used on it's own as a top coat, or if it needs to have some coats of clear XCR over the top, but it is probably work asking that question (they usually reply fairly quickly) if you think it might suit your requirements better than a regular pigmented resin.
Of course another alternative would be to add black pigment to clear XCR resin, or to another resin designed for top coating (i.e. West 105 with 207 hardener).

https://www.easycomposites.co.uk/#!/res ... ecoat.html

Also consider using a foam brush for the final coating to massively reduce the lumps and bumps due to brush marks - I have not tried one with epoxy yet, but have had some pretty good results using one with polyester flowcoat recently (also pigmented black as it happens) - I still needed some sanding but that is partly because I had used a regular brush on previous coats.

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Thanks Jim, looks interesting. From reading Joey Schotts blog it seems he stained his panels black before assembly and then touched up any damage bits before coating with epoxy/glass and then varnishing. It does seem to give a nice deep shiny finish!

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These things are works of art, this one is in MoMA New York

https://www.moma.org/collection/works/9 ... h_images=1

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ive Just ordered all the materials for the hull/deck - ply, glass, resin, fillers etc. Hopefully it’ll all end up resembling something like a kayak. I’ve ordered all from Fyne boat kits. May have been able to save a bit shopping around but not having done this before would rather order from them. They’ve also been really quick to answer queries regarding quantities etc.
Cost including VAT and delivery £535

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nickcrowhurst wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:59 pm
https://www.ecfibreglasssupplies.co.uk/ ... ur-pigment
It's good stuff. I use it.
Small pot ordered for trial!

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Pedro, a little goes a very long way. I aim for 5% at most, and these excellent scales are all I use for mixing pigment, resin and hardener:

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Well it’s a start. Woods here and I’ve made a bit! Part of the rear hatch recess. Thought I’d try cutting out some fiddly bits before filling the garage with floppy kayak.
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