British Canoeing Access Charter

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British Canoeing Access Charter

Post by Pam Bell » Thu May 17, 2018 6:17 pm

Member or not, we all need to complete this survey

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Post by Adrian Cooper » Fri May 18, 2018 11:25 am

Done, thank you Pam. Out of curiosity the survey did not ask me for contact details but might it be taking these from me without my knowledge?

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Post by Pam Bell » Fri May 18, 2018 12:29 pm

Adrian Cooper wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 11:25 am
Out of curiosity the survey did not ask me for contact details but might it be taking these from me without my knowledge?
I have no idea about that, you would have to ask someone in the BC access department!

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Re: British Canoeing Access Charter

Post by damppaddler » Fri May 18, 2018 1:56 pm

I got stuck at the first question

They are asking for a right we already have

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Re: British Canoeing Access Charter

Post by Pam Bell » Fri May 18, 2018 2:06 pm

damppaddler wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:56 pm
They are asking for a right we already have
We have the right of navigation (as yet not clearly enshrined in law) on rivers, though our ability to exercise that right is often hampered by challenges and objections. The charter is asking for public rights of access on and along all water in England.

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Post by andynormancx » Fri May 18, 2018 2:23 pm

A survey on a web page can't take contact details from you that you don't provide.

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Post by Adrian Cooper » Fri May 18, 2018 2:27 pm

Thanks, reassuring. But how do they know each survey submission is unique?

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Post by andynormancx » Fri May 18, 2018 3:18 pm

They don't, really. They do set a cookie in you browser so that if you take survey again they tell you you've already taken it, but there it nothing to stop anyone easily bypassing that restriction (use a different machine, use a different browser, delete the cookie, use private browsing mode etc)

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Re: British Canoeing Access Charter

Post by cp » Fri May 18, 2018 4:47 pm

They forgot to ask if this should be the focus of british canoeing rather than their focus on competition

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Re: British Canoeing Access Charter

Post by DaveBland » Sun May 20, 2018 10:22 pm

OMG!!!
Stop picking faults with it and be grateful its being done.
Excellent work by all involved. Thanks.

**moderators... pleease can this be sticky'd to the top with a title saying if you dont fill it in, you are banned from this site.

Love to all xxx
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Re: British Canoeing Access Charter

Post by Adrian Cooper » Mon May 21, 2018 9:57 am

damppaddler wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:56 pm
I got stuck at the first question

They are asking for a right we already have
I think it is best just to complete the survey, at least they then have a body of responses. There seems to be plenty of opportunity to add comment, I can't remember which one but there was one I didn't answer but completed the comments box immediately after to explain my position. As Dave so eloquently describes, please fill it in.

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Re: British Canoeing Access Charter

Post by MikeVeal » Tue May 22, 2018 11:48 am

damppaddler wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:56 pm
I got stuck at the first question

They are asking for a right we already have
Survey wrote:1. THE AIM OF THE BRITISH CANOEING ACCESS CHARTER

The aim is to achieve:
“Fair, shared, sustainable open access to water”

British Canoeing would like to see the outdoors open to all responsible recreational users.

By ‘open access’ we are calling for legislation to establish public rights of access on and along all water in England.

How strongly would you support the aim?
A lot /A little /Not at all /N/A
Not at all.
The right already exists and does not need to be established (my bold). We already have the right of access, asking for new legislation can't give us anything more, but could very easily reduce the rights we have. Why would anyone think that's a smart move?

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Re: British Canoeing Access Charter

Post by Adrian Cooper » Tue May 22, 2018 2:20 pm

I added a similar note to mine

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Post by stonercanoe » Tue May 22, 2018 6:44 pm

I added a similar comment. Legislators could legislate against us.
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Post by Mal Grey » Tue May 22, 2018 8:44 pm

Adrian Cooper wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 2:20 pm
I added a similar note to mine
Me too. I believe I suggested changing "establish" to "confirm the existing right" or something like that.

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Post by jmmoxon » Wed May 23, 2018 1:21 pm

Interestingly the original British Canoe Association's "object shall be the promotion of Cruises and Meets, whereby Canoeists of the United Kingdom, irrespective of clubs, may unite for the purpose of cruising and camping; furthermore, it aims to establish reasonable tariffs for land and water transit of canoes, for procuring concessions and permissions for the navigation of Canals, Streams and Lakes, and in all possible ways to procure increased facilities for cruising, camping, and exploration."

Unfortunately it was defunct before the establishment of the BCU's predecessor.

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Post by Pam Bell » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:03 pm

The survey closes on Monday - last chance to have your say!

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