Kayak or Canoe for larger person?

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I've just completed by BCU1 and enjoyed it. I've learnt that it's not just a case of buying a Kayak and jumping in. As I wore size 10 trainers and was unable fit my feet in and therefore could not grip with my knees, so it was very uncomfortable. So it's opened up more questions than answers. For ease of transport, I was thinking of an inflatable, such as the Bic Yakka or Advanced Elements. I also tried the instructors carbon fibre paddle, which had a smaller blade with angled hand grips, which felt more user friendly Advice on a postcode please? I'm 6'2 and 17.5 stone. Are their Kayaks for the larger built person? I expect I would use mainly in rivers and occasionally in still costal waters.

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Well I am 6'2" and 14 1/2 stone but when I was 18 stone I paddled sea racing kayaks that to a beginner would be very frightening and unstable. Indeed there are some wide kayaks that would suit your build and skill level but as I say to many others starting out get some training, try different kayaks in whatevers club you might join. Once you're at BCU level 3 and can keep your balance then get something quicker than a short,wide, very stable kayak. You'll thank yourself when you can cover certain distances without pain in your wrists and your upper back.
I won't say what make or model you should use but I will say get more training, happy paddling!

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Hi Maverick (Nice name by the way ;)...)

I am also 6'2" and have size 10 feet (albeit lighter) - my normal boat is an old Perception Arc, which I fit into comfortably with some outfitting additions to stop me rattling about! That's not on maximum adjustment either. They go for around £150-200 so not a bank-balance-breaker! - For progressing it's ideal, and much more user friendly than an inflatable kayak. It's a "bigdeck" so the cockpit is fairly wide to accommodate most shapes and sizes of paddler.

Bear in mind that different shoes can have a huge effect - proper wetsuit shoes/boots will almost always offer up some more foot room than trainers will, and your legs won't cramp up so much!

Just my 2p.

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Also, Palm do a series of paddles called the Maverick - couldn't be more apt...

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Hi Maverick,

Ditto on the name. My old Rhodesian Ridgeback was called Maverick. Thanks for your tips and advice.

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PS like the decals on the front. Where did you purchase?

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Maverick777 wrote:
Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:00 pm
PS like the decals on the front. Where did you purchase?
Found them on ebay - weren't hugely expensive and went on nice and easily!

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Think I will go the sit on Kayak route.

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The first thing to do is stop wearing trainers unless you are going to paddle an enormous creek boat or touring boat or canoe.
Most of the time I wear wetsuit shoes in the boat because they are much more flexible than traditional shoes or any of the creek boating footwear. In some boats I take the shoes off when I get in and just wear wetsuit socks.

Get some suitable footwear and then try some different boats and types of paddling to work out what it is you want to do before buying a boat, don't just buy a boat based on whether or not it fits you wearing trainers, you are liekly to end up either with something terrible, or something that is good, but not for what you want to do with it.

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Im 6ft , 17 stone and have size 11s. Sea boat i padde hv abd white water a gtmax. So you can get one to fut. Its just a case of looking.

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Hi,

Since completing my BCU, I've been on two SOT Kayaks, one of which being a Tarpon 120. As I result I opted for a SOT and purchased a FatYak Kaafu. I went on my first outing today and felt totally different in feel to the two other SOT Kayaks. It felt as though, I was skating on ice and kept falling in the surf, which had never happened on my previous 3 outings.

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FatYak Kaafu vs Wilderness Tarpon 120 (Weight Limit)

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Hi All,

I read a review comparing the The Fatyak Kaafu Vs The Perception Scooter:-

http://www.h2outdoor.co.uk/devon-blog/f ... n-scooter/

I'm just wandering if with my own weight of 115kgs, then Wetsuit (wet), PFD etc, that it would push me over the 130kgs weight limit and adversely effect handling?

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I'm 6'5" and 19 stone. I also have very limited mobility in my right shoulder, which makes extractions and rolls impossible. For the casual user/explorer of my dimensions and limitations my sit on Riber works nicely. Its a lot better than not being to paddle at all.

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Hi All,

I’ve just tried a Dagger Blackwater 10.5 but found it to small. What else can you recommend that would be better for someone that is 6’2” and 17 stone? Used mainly in rivers. But not to much white water. Mainly for recreational light use. Must be stable.

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I'd go back to your original question, kayak or canoe. Have you tried an open canoe? If not, it's worth hiring or borrowing one to see how you like it. For your size, I'd look at something at least 15ft-16ft long and 35" wide for stability (for some reason, canoe dimensions are rarely quoted in metric!). You can use a kayak paddle, but a single blade is easier when you get used to it because of the width of the boat.

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Don’t fancy the canoe. But thanks for suggestion. Cheers

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Like the following:-

Old Town Vapour 12XT

Dagger Axis 12

Neither seem available in the UK.

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Both those boats have very big cockpits, the Old Town especially so. You aren't going to get good contact with your knees/thighs, which limits the amount of control you'll have over the boat and make them less stable than they otherwise be.

I think boats like that are aimed at people who are convinced that kayak are hard to get out of when they capsize (modern kayaks really are not hard to get out of). The irony is that huge cockpits make capsize more likely in the first place.

Have you looked at the Pyranha Fusion ? It a similar-ish style to the Dagger Axis (though not quite as long). The Large version will fit someone who is 6’2” and 17 stone.

Another option in the UK is the Perception Expression 11, a bit longer than the Pyranha and with a hull more like that Dagger (the Pyranha hull is styled after an old whitewater hull, the Expression is more aimed at touring).

https://www.perceptionkayaks.com/eu/en/ ... ression-11

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Post by Arthur »

Do like I do. Buy a canoe, sell it and buy a kayak, sell the kayak and buy a canoe... and repeat, repeatedly.

Please DON'T buy an Expression 11 or anything else based purely on the cockpit size. I had an Expression 11, I'm 'only' 15 stone and it had too little volume in the bows... every time I tried to paddle quickly it would create a bow wave and slow down. Ditto the Pyranha Fusion - I've owned them both.

I currently have a Wavesport Hydra - easy to get in and out, good deck height so you can bend you knees a bit, and plenty of volume for a larger paddler.

If I were you though, I'd probably buy an open canoe - a Nova Craft PAL is nice... if you ever outgrow one of those you're in trouble.

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Maverick777 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:20 pm
Hi All,

I’ve just tried a Dagger Blackwater 10.5 but found it to small. What else can you recommend that would be better for someone that is 6’2” and 17 stone? Used mainly in rivers. But not to much white water. Mainly for recreational light use. Must be stable.

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Just came across your question Maverick,

Borrowed several of them before taking a leap. Trust me, it's better than choosing without trying.
I'm 6'3" + 220 pounds guy and that was a list I was looking while choosing mine (for camping mostly, so some of these options might be an overkill for you).
Bonafide SS127- 475LB capacity
Feel Free Lure 13.5- 500LB capacity
Vibe Sea Ghost 130- 550LB capacity
Obviously the Vibe would be the best option for a heavier guy, would still leave you some weight for accessories.
For shorter trips I got this one from Sundolphin SS, 12", and it's really secure plus I can easily stand in this. I can stretch my legs easily.

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Maybe you could find something like this. Good luck!
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If you're a larger person then I would go with a canoe. Although a canoe is harder to control and paddle at first you'll get the hang of it. A kayak is more cramped and you kind of wear a kayak if you get what I mean. So I don't think you'll be all that comfortable in a kayak. If you do end up getting a kayak here are some inexpensive options for that.

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Arthur wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:59 pm
Please DON'T buy an Expression 11 or anything else based purely on the cockpit size. I had an Expression 11, I'm 'only' 15 stone and it had too little volume in the bows... every time I tried to paddle quickly it would create a bow wave and slow down. Ditto the Pyranha Fusion - I've owned them both
That sounds odd. I’m 16 stone, I’ve paddled the Expression 11 and it paddled well with no issues like that (though 16 stone is definitely well at the top end of its design weight).

The Fusion comes in three sizes, I have the medium and I’ve done 12+ mile paddles in it with no issues with a lack of volume or the bow wave slowing me down.

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I now have the Dagger Katana 10.4 River Spec and think it’s great.

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andynormancx wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:08 am

That sounds odd. I’m 16 stone, I’ve paddled the Expression 11 and it paddled well with no issues like that (though 16 stone is definitely well at the top end of its design weight).

The Fusion comes in three sizes, I have the medium and I’ve done 12+ mile paddles in it with no issues with a lack of volume or the bow wave slowing me down.
You obviously don't paddle fast enough to create a bow wave... lol

But seriously, the guys at the canoe shop I buy from said the same thing about the Exp11 - not enough volume for the larger gentleman - either that, or they were just trying to sell me another kayak.

Maybe it's about weight distribution? I got the bow wave when I leaned forward and really put the hammer down. A more relaxed style would shift the weight further aft.

It's a nice little sea boat I found - good for tootling around the coast, when you're not in a hurry to get anywhere.

Anyway, old thread, so I guess it doesn't matter.

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