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I think this is interesting

Post by AdamL » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:14 am

I'm definitely not subscribing to the views in this article (at least i am not advertising my opinion) but i do think this is an interesting collection of stats and opinions -
http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-kill-yourself-in-a-kayak

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Re: I think this is interesting

Post by Xan » Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:01 am

Thats a depressing way to start my day. I dont disagree totally with what he says about white water being unpredictable. I think the majority of paddlers realise the river is more powerful than you will ever be (well most but there always are idiots that think they are above mother nature) but we accept that for the enjoyment and the buzz.

Most deaths I read of occur on easier water by people that dont appreciate the above. White water kayakers tend to be well trained in how to avoid and recover from incidents so we are able to manage alot of incidents others are out of our control or totally freek.

Overall the stats show it's safer being a kayaker than it is doing alot of more commercial sports (this is where I need George Fell and his cards). Anyway thats just my thoughts I may be well off the mark but I think most on here will agree.

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Re: I think this is interesting

Post by AdamL » Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:45 am

I'm just surfing about. Started by looking at the photos on Darin McQuoid's photo site. Looking at Cherry Bomb Gorge and thinking about how amazing the paddling is - really worth looking at his photos and tips on WW photography, although a bit of a diet of cream. Also seeing that pin kits seem standard over there. Got me thinking that all i carry is a sling for boats and a throwline. Bet few could put in a Z pulley even if they had the kit. I am interested in how accidents happen as i think it helps to understand the risks. Article geared more towards open boaters, but very relevant to sea kayakers aswell. I am conscious of visibility issues at sea.

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Re: I think this is interesting

Post by banzer » Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:59 am

If you kayak regularly, sooner or later you'll likely be attacked by a wild animal.
Some of the mallards on the Tryweryn can get pretty hostile... hmmmm
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Re: I think this is interesting

Post by Poke » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:08 am

All he’s done is essentially scour the web for grisly kayak-death stories (news reports too, which are rarely correct), and passed comment on what he thinks that person did wrong – no investigation, just unresearched speculative opinion. If you wanted to learn more you’d probably learn more looking at some of the more formal/factual kayak accident databases – I’ve certainly seen them for NZ and the USA.
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In my opinion rapids above Class II are interesting to observe but not so good for sticking your kayak in. And certainly not a recreational kayak unless you really do have a death wish. Regarding "expert" whitewater kayakers? We live in a time when people do something twelve times, declare themselves "experts" and start giving seminars or do TV shows. There are a few, but extremely few, true experts in this entire world. My files are chock full of reports of "lucky up-till-now" whitewater kayakers who mistook luck for expertise until one day their luck ran out as water filled their lungs while they were hopelessly stuck under a submerged tree. Or they were caught in a hydraulic that wouldn't let them out until it drained the last measure of life from their body. Or they ended up submerged with their kayak vertically pinned under a waterfall. Or some other equally horrific, fatal whitewater event.

Filled with potential death traps such as strainers, sweepers, hydraulics (a.k.a. holes), pillows, undercut rocks and sieves, whitewater is simply too unpredictable to "read" properly every time. Don't do it.
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Re: I think this is interesting

Post by Slime » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:34 am

I had a quick skim and this article struck me that it is just how folk describe it and in my humble opinion not worth a read - about as shallow as the Tryweryn with no flow.

He has a paragraph headed statistics where few stats are quoted and non are attributed - so its merely heresay.
When I did research for a tv interview about 8 years ago the stats for ww kayaking were that you were roughly ten times more likely to die in a highway accident on the drive to or from the river. This article is simply porno scare mongering.

Which is not to belittle the value of responsible articles about accidents and the lessons to be learnt.

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Re: I think this is interesting

Post by Adrian Cooper » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:59 am

This is how he ends the piece. Maybe the whole body was supposed to be a little bit of irony? (unusual for an American)
As long as you don't do anything as crazy as Andrew did and you avoid the most common mistakes noted in the above modules, your chances of surviving a paddle are quite good. When deaths each year per hours spent on an activity are calculated, scuba diving, sky diving, lion taming and rock climbing are statistically more dangerous than whitewater kayaking. In fact, driving your car is statistically about four times more dangerous. And calm water kayaking is even safer than that, not much more dangerous than bicycling.

But how useful is knowing that kayaking is relatively safe if, due directly to your lack of knowledge, you blindly go out and put yourself in a potentially deadly situation?

And that, friend, is the reason I took the time to make this lens for you.

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Re: I think this is interesting

Post by ion » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:43 pm

Knowing one of those mentioned in that article I find it deeply distasteful, not least because the author gets to skim money from purchases made from the page. Do yourself a favor and spend 10 minutes of your day more productively than wasted reading this.

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Re: I think this is interesting

Post by AdamL » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:23 pm

Yes, I think you're all right really. Found much more to ponder over on the Nigel Dennis analysis of club sea kayaking accident that I think was published in sea paddler, and a report on a bad trip round Portland. I do want to know if someone has had an accident doing one of the things I do though, as it might help me avoid one. I'm spending more time looking at mcquoid and the American V. I just can't get my head round it. I'm stuck in shanghai - that's why I'm surfing not paddling.

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