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BCU - Canoe Focus - Access Demo

Post by JonT »

My copy of Canoe Focus arrived yesterday, and to my amazement it was talking about a paddling demo on the Thames to Westminster and a petition to lobby Parliament.

This seems like a major initiative by the BCU and should be supported by all paddlers.

There is nothing about it on CanoeCafe or this site yet.

Does anyone know any more detail?

Will you be going?

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Looks like you got your Gnu Foetus before the rest of us. Will take a look when it arrives.

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There might be a bit more interest if people knew when it was due to happen. So far we understand it will be a Wednesday afternoon in October. So just fill that in your diary.

My prediction is that most paddlers will find it difficult to get the day off.

How about it Mark, perhaps you could organise a history lesson in Westmister for your pupils in Dorset. Or maybe just give them a free period for the day.

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Saw that in my Focus today;
Looks like a nightmare to organise and I don't like the idea of leaving all the boats in a secure compound, then walking across the river to Houses of P.

Where's the dramatic photo-opportunity in that? Maybe understandable with current security alerts. Some details also on www.riversaccess.org too.

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Is good start innit. Sure is much year late, but eh, ravioli is better eaten a not fast.

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I'm glad you noticed that James, I was going to rib you about it.

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i had mine a few days ago and was reading the article about the euro cup and it refers to one competitor as czechsolavtion!

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I thought under the new anti-terror laws you weren't allowed to protest within a mile of westminster?

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I saw Focus today and there it is, hidden away apologetically.

It'll be interesting to see how this pans out as they get themselves organised.

BTW reality check; nobody whatsoever will attend, given that only 200 paddlers could make it to the Dee (at a good level) on a weekend for a protest.
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Hmmm, CF also seems to think that the Durance is G3+ from St Clement to Embrun. Am I missing something?

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There is certainly some biggish volume grade 3, but I can't think of anything that deserves a plus.
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The last main rapid just before the new bridge that is being built is quite big and a little pushy. At a push you may be able to argue that since the corner is slightly undercut it might be worth a plus.

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I think a 2/3 would be appropriate grading for that stretch.

Anyway you've got to ask why the access paddle was burried so deep in the magazine. Demonstrates a real lack of commitment to the idea from everyone in the BCU.

Come on BCU a half hearted attempt is not on. You should be mailing every member with details, and every club with supporting materals like poster etc. If you're reading get your acts together.

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just checked my diary, and I'm busy on "some wednesday afternoon in autumn" so I can't go.

:-/

seriously though, dear bcu please help us to support you by pinning it down a bit more than that - yes, we see it is dependent on tides and mps being there, but advance tide predictions are avail from various places for a v small charge, and it takes three clicks on the houses of parliament website get the dates of recess.

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Is it just me that can see a badly organised access demo doing more harm than good?

Think about it, If only a couple of dozen people turn up due to bad organisation / sceduling by the BCU then it could make our cause look like a joke. I don't see MPs changing laws based on a demonstration by two guys with big beards in mountain bats that managed to get wednesday afternoon off at only two days notice.

This all seems a little rediculous to me. We wait years for the BCU to do something and then when they finally get around to doing something they do it half heartedly without propper planning.

I am begining to wonder why i ever give them money in the form of membership.

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Let's not write it off yet.

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I guess Wednesday afternoon makes it easier for university student clubs to swell the ranks and there is no point going to Westminster on Sunday. Provided a date is decided soon, two months notice should be enough to mobilise most people who WANT to go.

Provided there is some proper prior organisation which is still to materialise, there will be no opportunity to point the finger at the BCU if it is a failure (in terms of turnout), surely that will only be down to all of us as paddlers. They finally seem to be trying to do something. 10 years Late yes, currently poorly advertised yes, but the only way for this to take off will be to get behind it. If we don't then the BCU can go back to sleep and only worry about elite paddlers knowing that recreational bods aren't really that bothered despite all the hot air we have expired on this and other forums.

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If you look on the bcu access website, the protest is planned for a wednesday, due to that being the day the MP's are actually in session . Other wise there will be no one to nottice the protest..
http://www.riversaccess.org/workroom/us ... er.asp#190


wow.. there is actually information on the BCU site.. admittedly it took a little bit to find...

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Just got sent this info about the Westminster Paddle
Thank you very much for putting your name down to receive more
information. I thought I would just let you know the date that we
have in mind, due to tide times etc, is Wednesday 9th November.
Earlier dates conflict with a state visit.



We are currently seeking the correct permissions etc but will keep
you informed as to how things are going regularly.



Kind regards



Tamsin



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Bisham Abbey National Sports Centre

Bisham, Nr. Marlow

Buckinghamshire SL7 1RT

tel 01628 481823



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Earlier dates conflict with a state visit.
During a state visit is precisely the time to have a protest. You would get more press coverage as it would be seen as embarassing the government.

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True, but the security cordon will push you a long way away from parliament
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Excellent a date, lets hope it gets the go ahead.

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Post by Amanda »

Some more info
Paddle to Westminster - Wednesday 9th November



The paddle will take place on Wednesday 9th November as this fits in with
tide times and other political activities. We still have final permissions
to obtain but we are getting there!!



Due to the nature of the water on the tideway and the time of year it is
important that you are aware of your own capabilities on moving, and often,
unpredictable choppy water. We are hoping to arrange safety cover but we
need competent paddlers.



We need to know if you are planning to come for car parking, security
clearance etc so please e mail us if you are intend to attend, either
paddling just to meet us at the end of our paddle.



We will invite all MPs to come along to the presentation but please do
contact your local MP (can do so via email) and encourage them to come along
and hear us present the case for greater access to inland rivers.



I will forward meeting times etc as soon as we have more details.and this
means you can e mail the precise details to your MP..



In the mean time there are a couple of things you can assist us with.



1. Support us via the E card for the Westminster Paddle



We are also setting up e cards and they will be available very shortly on
the BCU/WCA/Canoe Wales and Rivers Access websites. If you are unable to
attend the Westminster Paddle please sign up for our e card which we will
download, collate and present professionally to the MPs in a book. Your
support is only a click away .



When you click on the e card you will be given a "card "all you need to do
is fill in the gaps . just your name and town (no address etc) and the
rivers you would like to have access to. and then press send and we will do
the rest.



We are doing this instead of putting postcards as a "stuffer" in to Canoe
Focus ... a lot of people just throw all the lose paper away so we felt this
was the most effective way of getting cards done.



2. Have you logged your support yet?



The DCMS (Department for Culture Media and Sport) are saying that there is
no unmet need to access to water for canoeists . we know they are wrong so
come on join the hundreds who have logged their support for the campaign.
We all need to show that access is a huge issue. . We know that there are
millions of people who are affected by the lack of access to water but we
need to have proof of the numbers too.



It is easy to do . just visit the site www.riversaccess.org
<http://www.riversaccess.org/> and you can find the link to the petition on
the home page.



Don't delay . log on today.. Pass the word around and encourage others to do
the same... This is in addition to the e cards .





We will be in touch again shortly.



Tamsin Phipps

Rivers Access Campaign

Bisham Abbey National Sports Centre

Bisham, Nr. Marlow

Buckinghamshire SL7 1RT



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The silence if deafening - is anyone actually going to make the effort and go to this ?

Put up your hands !

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I'm intrigued by the communication aspect of this...how did that info come to you, Amanda?

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I had a look round the http://www.riversaccess.org website whilst at work and found a bit about subscribing to an access newsletter by emailing info@riversaccess.org. I can't find where it was written now. It's there somewhere!



Maybe this news was disseminated by that newsletter?

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Back when the news was first out, I emailed Tamsin and she said she woiuld put me on a mailing list for updates. She acknowledged my mail but I have not seen anything since.

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No news here

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I also signed up on the Access website for updates but have heard nothing more.

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guidebook wrote:I'm intrigued by the communication aspect of this...how did that info come to you, Amanda?

Thanks,

Mark



I sent an email to info@riversaccess.org and seem to be one of the few privileged enough to have actually been added to the email list. It's odd that other people don't seem to be getting the info, but I'll keep posting anything that comes my way.



I agree it does seem like the BCU are doing everything in their capacity to make this a flop, so it's up to us to actually provide a good turn out. If we don't the BCU will say they tried and we didn't respond and that'll be that. It's easy to get cynical about it, but it is the first thing that they're doing about access that genuinely seems like a good idea. I'm hoping to drum up at least 20 people from our uni club, and if other uni's in the south east did the same that alone would generate a few hundred paddlers. If there was some way of combining it with a mass inter-uni party afterwards I'm sure we could get even more takers. Is there any chance one of the London colleges would be able to hire out the union for a night or something along those lines?



I think it's fair to say that the access problem has the biggest effect on clubs. If a small group of mates want to get on a river quickly and discretely they can do it, but with large club groups, and particularly beginners trips, it's hard to be quick and discrete, and having an unpleasant scene with a bailiff is not a great way to expose a beginner to the joys of paddling. The best way to make this a success is to ensure that our clubs know about this protest and even going as far as to make it into an official club outing of sorts.

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Is there any chance one of the London colleges would be able to hire out the union for a night or something along those lines?
hmmm as they only London college with a canoe club - that'll be us then!

The undergrads all have wednesday afternoons off, so should be able to drum up some interest. The union usually has something on on a wednesday, but could look into it. dB's has a 600 capacity I think, but not sure how much it costs to hire out.

Most of the committee are still bunking off on their summer hols at the moment, as the undergrads don't come back until 1st October.

I'll send some emails around and see what level of enthusiasum I can drum up.

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Amanda wrote:I agree it does seem like the BCU are doing everything in their capacity to make this a flop.

I think they genuinely just don't grasp that waiting for two years and then finally emailing a few random people with some unfinished plans for a demonstration...does not actually constitute a 'Campaign'

The Westminster event is the most (erm, only) proactive and high profile thing that they've planned in the Rivers Access Campaign so far. So, your challenge...is to find info about it on their website in under a minute. Starting NOW.
http://www.riversaccess.org/

(I failed)
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