Jon Wood wrote:A suggestion: not all members maintain their own website-would it make sense to include a brief biography, particularly if potential customers are using the site looking for course providers?
I am sure those be hide APC will read these comments, and expand the scope of the website's service.
MattBibbings wrote:Only letting L5's come and play in the club is a bit elitist in reality.
There's nothing wrong with that though, Elitism has a bad name because it's automatically linked to either people being unpleasant about people who aren't the "elite" or the idea of "the old-boys network". APC appears to be neither of these things, so Yes it does seem elitist, but that's not an issue.
I would say that the APC it's meant to be a mark of quality for coaching, and to use active full time Level 5's is a clear starting point, if whether other it is felt different levels of membership outside L5's could be offered, I am sure in time it will be.
Tony Aiuto wrote:
I would far rather see an organisation that seeks to represent all active coaches who conduct themselves in a professional manner (thus including our hard working and under-represented volunteer club coaches). A 'union' perhaps, of paddlers/coaches, lets say 'canoeists' in Britain. Oh, I see..... I'll get me cag.
I do not think it is an alternative to the BCU, but a collective voice for those working full time as paddle sport coaches. Club Coaches already get considerable representation through regional committees, where as full time professionals do not have a direct voice.
Jay Oram wrote:Are there going to be any new L5 with the UKCC scheme?
If not it will get very lonely at the top! I think it is a great idea, the AMI does a great job, technical articles, resources, works really well with the BMC/MLTA and if the 'APC' does half as well it will be worth it. Could L5 trainees not be included as "appremtices" or something so the group could grow?
It is unlikely that there will be a UKCC L5, especially not for most full time coaches outside team coaches. UKCC L4 is the likely end game for current BCU L5's. Trainee L5's have been earmarked for inclusion.
MattBibbings wrote:Only letting L5's come and play in the club is a bit elitist in reality. It makes the APC look more like a marketing opportunity for L5s who are self employed.
More than half of those on the list are contracted National centre Coaches.
KJO - Coaching wrote:A great idea yet I wonder why you would need to be a level 5 and not just a professional coach? Does this mean the Association regards level 5 and professional (what does that mean - coaching as there full time employment?), paddling in there spare time as some sort of quality stamp? I'm curious how that works?
I would say, being L5 is a starting point for the APC, and is a clear quality mark. And Andy I have recommended yourself to be approached, and am surprised that you are not yet on the APC list.
SeaDoug wrote:Your comment about the effects of BCU changes on your ability to work as a coach are interesting, as those of us further down the ladder see the effect of the UKCC revolution as a swing towards "professional" (as in employed by Centres etc) coaching to the extent that volunteer club coaches are an endangered species. The costs for individuals to start on the coaching ladder, or for established active volunteers to develop onwards, has become beyond the resources of most clubs to afford, and many of us who have spent our own funds for many years to achieve qualifications are reluctant to dig deep again, into a qualification system which is still unfinished.
One area I think we may agree on, is that the biggest loser in all of the recent changes, has been "recreational" paddlesport, as the bias of all the BCU developments seem to be "competition" - whether it is Olympic or other elite level, that is where the sport hierarchy seem to be looking.
Doug, I completely agree with your point, and to make potential coaches go on several courses to be in essence professional flat water coaches, has alienated many the club or/and volunteer coaches who are forced to finance their qualification progression. I would strongly prefer to see an apprenticeship system for those wishing to go in paddlesport coaching as a career, and a central funded series of weekend courses for clubs.
davidmann wrote:so... what does this mean for us coaches lower down on the coaching ladder? Do APC plan to create an alternative coaching system as has been mentioned before?
I doubt very much they will develop an alternative system.