club kayak for smaller people?

Discuss equipment, technology, gadgets, repairs...
Post Reply
Maarten Z
Posts: 124
Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:00 am
Location: Ghent, Belgium

club kayak for smaller people?

Post by Maarten Z » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:39 am

Looking for a club kayak for smaller & lighter people (think 1m65, 50kg), should be suitable to take out on the open water...
Currently our club is looking at Perception Carolina 14 and the likes, but I'm hoping for a slightly more sportive design as I'm afraid they will have a lot of issues keeping up. It is also really wide at 62cm.
Should still be suitable for taking beginners though (club kayak).
No composite of course.

Thanks for any suggestions!

User avatar
norb
Posts: 73
Joined: Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:43 pm
Location: West coast of Scotland

Re: club kayak for smaller people?

Post by norb » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:59 am

Im 1m 69 cm and I paddling 18 foots Taran.
Funny but in Taran I don't feel smaller :)
Norbert

Irish Sea
Posts: 83
Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:04 pm
Location: Dublin, Ireland

Re: club kayak for smaller people?

Post by Irish Sea » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:21 pm

Hi,
we've been quite happy with Valley Avocets in PE for smaller paddlers ranging from beginner to intermediate. Unfortunately this one is discontinued now I think.
The Northshore Atlantic LV would be another good candidate or maybe a Wilderness Systems Zephyr 155.

If you want a bit shorter, a bit more stable and a good bit more affordable have a look at the Dagger Stratos 14.5 S. Not a full blooded sea kayak maybe but handles well, has a skeg, proper decklines, bulkheads, good outfitting and on top of all that is great fun in the surf. Should be able to keep up with longer sea kayaks at a "normal" group touring pace.

User avatar
norb
Posts: 73
Joined: Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:43 pm
Location: West coast of Scotland

Re: club kayak for smaller people?

Post by norb » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:41 pm

For beginners I can highly recommended Delphin 150 , great boat

AllanC
Posts: 186
Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:17 pm
Location: Gourock

Re: club kayak for smaller people?

Post by AllanC » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:39 pm

There's also the like of the North Shore Aspects, which if they're anywhere near as good as the Atlantic will be really nice boats to paddle. I've posted on another thread about how much I like the Valley Sirona, and the smaller sizes of that could be worth looking into.
Allan C.

Allan Olesen
Posts: 61
Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:45 am

Re: club kayak for smaller people?

Post by Allan Olesen » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:21 pm

Irish Sea wrote:If you want a bit shorter, a bit more stable and a good bit more affordable have a look at the Dagger Stratos 14.5 S. Not a full blooded sea kayak maybe but handles well, has a skeg, proper decklines, bulkheads, good outfitting and on top of all that is great fun in the surf. Should be able to keep up with longer sea kayaks at a "normal" group touring pace.
I love the Stratos. It turns better than any other sea kayak I have tried. But if this kayak is intended for beginners, I would be careful. In a Stratos, beginners may be able to keep the same speed as the group, but they may not be able to keep the same direction as the group.

We have two Stratos 14.5 L in my club. When we take beginners on a tour in the harbour and tell them to paddle 300 meter across the harbour, the two persons fortunate enough to pick the Stratos kayaks will usually arrive a lot later than the rest, having visited every location in the harbour while frantically attempting to keep a straight line.

Lowering the skeg helps a bit, but in my mind the skeg should only be used to compensate for wind, not to make the kayak less willing to turn.

swagstaff
Posts: 509
Joined: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:59 am
Location: Oban & further west
Contact:

Re: club kayak for smaller people?

Post by swagstaff » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:58 am

Surely its ok to use whatever the kayak is fitted with to make paddling it easier. So if putting the Skeg down a little makes it easier to paddle in a straight line then please do so.
WHITEWATER ALL YEAR LONG

swagstaff
Posts: 509
Joined: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:59 am
Location: Oban & further west
Contact:

Re: club kayak for smaller people?

Post by swagstaff » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:22 am

North shore Aspect LV or Atlantic LV or Epic V5
WHITEWATER ALL YEAR LONG

User avatar
nickcrowhurst
Posts: 1018
Joined: Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:07 pm
Location: Cornwall, between swims.
Contact:

Shrike LV?

Post by nickcrowhurst » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:10 pm


charleston14
Posts: 39
Joined: Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:22 pm

Re: club kayak for smaller people?

Post by charleston14 » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:39 pm

How about a Scorpio LV
Scorpio LV

Allan Olesen
Posts: 61
Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:45 am

Re: club kayak for smaller people?

Post by Allan Olesen » Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:15 pm

swagstaff wrote:Surely its ok to use whatever the kayak is fitted with to make paddling it easier. So if putting the Skeg down a little makes it easier to paddle in a straight line then please do so.
I am not sure you have thought of all the implications. What if the wind is coming at an angle from the front? If you lower the skeg to stabilize the kayak, the wind will blow the front of the kayak downwind. So the beginner wil end up with a choice between having the skeg up and being all over the place, and having the skeg down and be constantly forced downwind.

And that is why I say that a skeg should only be necessary for wind compensation.

swagstaff
Posts: 509
Joined: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:59 am
Location: Oban & further west
Contact:

Re: club kayak for smaller people?

Post by swagstaff » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:42 pm

Hi Allan , I have not only thought of the implications but also experimented a lot with teaching the use of the skeg. If you put the skeg down just a small amount it will assist with the tracking but without having too many other consequences. With river kayaks on open water we often used to attach a small branch to the end loop at the back to help people who were struggling to go in a straight line and break little bits off as they got better.
My concern is that people arent put off by being frustrated with their inability to get it to go in a straight line. Many people hate to keep the others waiting so I feel its important not to put them in this position as well.
best wishes stuart
WHITEWATER ALL YEAR LONG

Post Reply