Angmagssalik - new start?^

[ChrisS]

It certainly is. In the words of Jack Clarke in "Angmagssalik Round Britain":

So was born the Kayel Angmagssalik Eskimo Kayak, eighteen feet eight inches long, nineteen inches across the beam, with a bow like a sword-fish and the lure of a beauty queen.

[ChrisS]

That is so beautiful!

Repeated from page 1 to make sense of the preceding post.

[ChrisS]

Tim wrote

...The second £300.00 from a well known public auction site, 2008 I think. The most recent £195, this year, fom the same. ...

This one went for £206.

[tg]

I have to confess I had my eye on it Chris. A beautiful example. £200 seems like an absolute bargain to me. But then again I am a borderline obsessive.. okay then, just obsessive. :-)

Tim

[ChrisS]

I don't think you are alone Tim. It had about 700 views and 70 watchers. Gone to someone who appreciates it. Funny to think it nearly got burnt in a skip a few years back!

[Aled]

I'd been watching this one and was very tempted to bid on it - it's the first boat I ever built...
(Oooh! How nostalgic?)

[nickcrowhurst]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Old-Vintage-W ... 4d0d72a3dd

[maryinoxford]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Old-Vintage-W ... 4d0d72a3dd

Looks like nobody wants it, Nick. 2 days to go, and bidding still under £10. You'd think somebody would buy it, if only to hang it on the wall. (If they've got a 19-foot-long wall...)

Mary

[nickcrowhurst]

Mary, it sold for £82. I hope it's gone to someone who'll care for it.
Nick.

[Whaam68]

FYI I was at Herts young Mariners base at the weekend & they had one of these in fairly good condition they were trying to literally give away to clear some room, I don't think there were any takers if anyone fancies one. Way too small for me sadly.

[nickcrowhurst]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kayel-Angmags ... 233d185478

[PeterG]

Paddled our club boat over the weekend and had a chance to try it against modern K1s. It is more tippy than an '8' but less so than a '3'. It's competitiveness probably reflects these figures. If you do go under of course you can roll up easily so it might do rather better than '3' in sufficiently choppy conditions... but is rolling allowed in competition...would they let me take part?

[Nick Gates]

After reading this thread yesterday, and spotting a Granta Surf Ace on Shpock, I delved into my eighties Boat Show brochure file and found I had four different Granta brochures, probably from four boatshow visits.

I always wanted the surf kayak back then, and still do...plans anyone?

Anyway, there is a good bit on the Angmagssalik, and also pics of all the GRP kayaks.

[Nick Gates]

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/new ... ain-44555/

[Nick Gates]

Tried to edit the above post, but beyond me.
The link is to a 2015 newspaper article of Geoff Hunter being reunited with his Angmagssalik 45 years on.
I found it whilst trying to find a copy of his book on line.

[mick allen]

that's a very cool story . . .

I always wanted the surf kayak back then



This is just a schematic from that catalogue page you showed above - just for fun. It's adjusted for what I think the hydrostatics should have been and well as a little interpolation.

[Nick Gates]

Ooh, Mick, you are a tease! (A talented tease at that!).

[mick allen]

Does anyone know if the Surf King and Ace were Ken Littledyke boat designs?

[Nick Gates]

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 2852826228

One for sale.

[GregMiller]

Question from a person with very little experience -
How would they have made the apex on the foredeck that pronounced without the ply fracturing?

Greg

[PlymouthDamo]

How would they have made the apex on the foredeck that pronounced without the ply fracturing

I don't think you could make it from a single unscored piece of ply. I suspect they've either used two pieces or they've deeply scored a single sheet of ply in the middle and cracked/folded it along that line.

I've made a boat with a radically curved plywood deck, and I was working to the absolute limit in terms of bending plywood. I got away with it, but cracks appeared around the curved section, so I ended up having to do a paint job on the boat to hide them. The two curved sections on my deck were about the same radius as the curve on a football - i.e. nowhere near as sharp as the deck ridge on that Angmagssalik.

I recently helped a mate build his boat. He wanted it to be low volume, but he's even taller than me, which necessitated some sharp angles in the deck to allow it to 'wrap' around his knees whilst he was in a comfortable sitting position. Having learned the lessons from building my own boat, we opted to make the deck out of three sheets, thereby allowing a very steep joint angle on each side of the boat. Unlike that single ridge in the middle of the Angmagssalik deck, we found a way of still forcing the deck to curve around this section, so it doesn't look like a coffin.

[Aled]

I had a play-around with the offsets (which I found were way off in places - apologies to anyone who's tried using them - Mike) and Chris' photo and came up with this.
The curve under the bow and stern have been redrawn to reduce the twist/stress in the ply and there's a curved deck with a bit more knee room.
Light CAD entertainment for an evening...

[Aled]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/efcdm3k1qcznc ... .eprt?dl=0
View the boat above in glorious 3D as an eDrawing file - 'eDrawings Viewer' software required, available free from https://www.solidworks.com/sw/support/e ... gister.htm

[Aled]

How would they have made the apex on the foredeck that pronounced without the ply fracturing?

3mm marine grade ply, something like Robbins Elite, would bend to this curve easily along the grain, and without splitting.

[Nick Gates]

Hi Aled,
An evenings work!! I spent hours trying to get to grips with this sort of thing. Ah well. Your image looks really good, and I have been rotating it around and viewing it from all angles. My Angmagsalik appears to have much narrower bottom panels, a deeper V, and looks a little longer (though it is the right length)
My foredeck (as all the kits were) is made out of two pieces. In practice it has no clearance issues when paddling, and for me, could be a little lower as I had to pad it down a bit to get contact with my knees.
Mine also came with a knee tiller, which connects to an aluminium Scudder. Interestingly it paddles differently to our club boat. Feels less stable, and has less directionally stability. A few mm here and there can make a lot of difference!

[charleston14]

I think there’s one on eBay at the moment

[PlymouthDamo]

I think there’s one on eBay at the moment

Yep, Nick Gates posted a link to that one above. The seller doesn't know what it is and isn't getting much interest. I was tempted to send them some more info via an eBay message so they could advertise it better, but decided to stay out of it as that might be messing up the chance of a real Greenland enthusiast to get the boat very cheaply.

[Jon352]

I asked the seller to provide a bit more detail on the boat's condition, and he later amended the listing to say that it is an Angmassilik built from a Granta kit, never finished, never been on the water. I put in a bid but that has been passed now, (£104) by an Ebayer with a (0) rating. I wasn't prepared to bid very high as it would have been a 450 mile round trip to collect it, plus it would be easier to justify a fourth sea kayak if it was a bargain. I did buy a canoe once on a second chance offer, because the winning bidder hadn't realised how far he'd have to go to collect it - so all hope is not lost.

[Jon352]

Sold for £107.

[Nick Gates]

Many thanks to ChrisS for his copy of Angmagssalik round Britain.
Very few books that I read I find hard to put down, and this one kept me enthralled throughout Christmas day!
Fifty years ago Geoff didn't have a lot of the equipment we take for granted now. I think he would have most benefitted from a tight fitting spray deck, and something better to wear than an anorak over his wetsuit! A bilge pump would have helped too.
Today's social media would have propelled his trip into the mainstream with ease, rather than the little interest he received at the time.

Hats off to you Sir!