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stolen kayak database

Post by Kevin B » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:49 pm

Firstly i new here and largely inexperienced at "proper" kayaking. Sit-ons on the beach with the kids for a few years thats it.
What has surprised me, reading here, is the amount of theft that seems to take place of kayaks. I know my sit ons have serial numbers and i assume the more expensive sea kayaks have so is there a national database, constructed jointly by the governing bodies, to monitor and list the serial numbers of boats that have been stolen?
I'd imagine if a sea kayak were stolen the culprit is unlikely to flog it in a pub to a stranger, or at a boot sale. It's a specialised hobby/ sport, with a close knit community.
so assuming it was listed on ebay, free ads,local paper etc then the person selling it would be traceable because the buyer would have visited the sellers home.If the seller is only prepared to sell from a motorway service station, alarm bells should be ringing.
If there was 1 site that listed all the known serial numbers, makes and models of stolen kayaks a buyer could check before hand on the make & model he's about to look at and inform police if the one he's just seen was on list.
surely organisations like the BCU and alike could come up with a recognized and affiliated database site that every one could have access to.
would kayaks be stolen if they became "too hot" to sell?
Or am i missing an obvious point?
apologies if this is a stupid question.
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Post by Mikebelluk » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:33 am

Good idea Kevin.
Could this thread could possibly be made a 'sticky', with missing kayaks and details posted up on it?
On this forum and Lost and Found as well?

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Post by mcgiggity » Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:45 pm

+1

great idea

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Post by tg » Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:19 am

If you register your boats under CG66 you will get a unique identifier which would add an additional line of defence and have details of your boat against it with the MCA. I do write my numbers on the outside of the boat but they do fade and can be removed. Perhaps an infra red pen would be better.

It's a great idea.
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Post by Ceegee » Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:45 am

Good idea,

A bit difficult for home-built boats etc. but it might be an idea to get the manufacturer's involved?
My guess is that 90% of the boats in the UK probably come from SKUK, Valley, P&H, Tiderace & Rockpool?

If new purchasers were recorded against the serial numbers of the boats they bought (more like an "owners club" than a vehicle registration) and if the manufacturers laminated an RFID chip into the boats (somewhere hard to get like the bow) then any boat could be traced to the first buyer, and for 2nd hand sales, the previous buyer could advise the manufacturer of a transfer of ownership. Purely voluntary of course.

Not a big deal for each manufacturer to maintain a file with a thousand or so names and addresses.

Landrover and a few sports car marques did this as an owners club service IIRC.
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Post by wideblueyonder » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:58 pm

Ok, so this thread touched a raw nerve as I was burgled last Friday. Garage and sheds done and a mountain bike and few smaller items taken. Luckily no paddling kit, however it was a huge wake up call.

Having some sleepless nights since and prone to leaping up at the faintest sound I put the insomnia time to use and had a little play.

All very rough at present but is this along the lines of what folks were thinking and am I heading in the right direction?

http://www.sckd.co.uk

Main two pages at present are the 'report a theft' and 'check stolen boats' pages.

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Post by mcgiggity » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:04 pm

Very good. I'd be happy to pay a subscription. I guess the success of it would be dependant on getting the word out about it and people adopting it. If retailers were to include a card when selling new that would help.

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Post by Voodoo » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:04 pm

I remember a few years ago someone had a website for stolen boats it was posted in the inland part of the fourm, they had statrted to create a buzz about it but like so many things it seemed to die off or at lest stoped being talked about, whether it is still going or managed to do what it set out to do I dont know
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Post by wideblueyonder » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:12 pm

mcgiggity wrote:Very good. I'd be happy to pay a subscription.
Cheers for that - don't think subscription is needed - don't see this type of thing as a 'for profit' venture if it's going to gain any traction.
Voodoo wrote:whether it is still going or managed to do what it set out to do I dont know
Had a brief search on the forum and online for anything like this and didn't turn anything up. Be interested to know if there is anything out there already.

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Post by NathanE » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:33 pm

How about just having a sticky topic in the for sale section? No long rambling descriptions just make, model, colour serial number and maybe location of theft.

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Post by TechnoEngineer » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:53 pm

Or "Lost and Found" - which is where they tend to be reported....
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Post by jka2706 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:52 pm

Duncan,

I think the sckd page is a fantastic idea - it seems to me it's much easier to have a site, and then (if possible) putting a sticky on the lost and found, for sale pages etc.

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Post by wideblueyonder » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:30 pm

TechnoEngineer wrote:Or "Lost and Found" - which is where they tend to be reported....
It makes absolute sense to do this agreed - however that would be a UKRivers-centric solution, if that makes sense - it'd would work for folks who know about and use UK Rivers only. The SCKD idea 'could' work across a wider cross section of paddlers BUT this would only be if it was advertised/known about by retailers, manufacturers, magazines and the various forums. blogs etc out there so fully aware there would be groundwork to do there.
jka2706 wrote:Duncan,

I think the sckd page is a fantastic idea - it seems to me it's much easier to have a site, and then (if possible) putting a sticky on the lost and found, for sale pages etc.
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Re: stolen kayak database

Post by R3V » Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:48 pm

egister your kit
by damppaddler » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:59 pm
FYI cross posted from losr and found

Cant vouvh for it but seems what was sugessetd


new website now available (although I am still testing it, so you might find the odd bug or two)

record all your kit - if it ever gets lost or stolen then you can mark it as such and it will make the details available for other users to see - and they can contact you through site to arrange recovery

www.boattracker.co.uk

any feed back would be gratefully received

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Post by wideblueyonder » Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:46 pm

Thanks R3V - I'm going to make contact with damp paddler.

Quick update is that I have created a growing list of folks to contact to gather support for this.
I've chunked it into 'groups' to make the process easier to manage. Today I focused on Sea Kayak manufacturers and have already had a couple of great responses of support as well as helpful suggestions.

Tiderace, P&H (and Pyranha) are on board with offers to get involved and help to promote.
Ocean Paddler magazine is also on board (full disclosure etc etc - I write for them so that helped with that one)

Will keep folks informed.

Cheers, Duncan

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Post by damppaddler » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:05 pm

Hi Duncan

I have sent you a PM

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Post by Mark R » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:48 pm

I guess I could create a 'Stolen Gear' forum if you wanted me to save you some work...
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Post by wideblueyonder » Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:30 am

Hi Mark - that would be a good idea for the forum. However, doesn't cover folks who've not come across the forum yet.

Cheers, Duncan

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