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Similarity between P&H Scorpio and Cetus?^

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:50 pm
by Sharpen
I paddle a P&H Scorpio, which I am very pleased with – I like the fit and handling, but I am thinking of buying a composite boat for longer trips.

At a recent demo evening of various boats, I came away thinking that I did not like any of them as much as my Scorpio. However, there was no Cetus there.

I have read that the Scorpio is based on the Cetus – how similar are they to paddle?

Re: Similarity between P&H Scorpio and Cetus?

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:05 pm
by michelin
I'm sure if you speak to Pete from Summit to Sea he will be able to put you right on what you want to know and he can even let you demmo one and if you do like one he could even sell you one.What more could you want.

Re: Similarity between P&H Scorpio and Cetus?

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:01 pm
by p.r.unicycles
The P&H Cetus is the composite version of the plastic Scorpio. They are much the same boat, but the differences come from the fact a plastic boat paddles differently to a composite boat. Hope this helps.

Re: Similarity between P&H Scorpio and Cetus?

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:55 pm
by heybaz
Having paddled a variety of boat types, plastic and a variety of composites, I'm curious regarding the statement made above:

"They are much the same boat, but the differences come from the fact a plastic boat paddles differently to a composite boat"

Anyone like to add / comment further on this view, just out of interest?

Barry

Re: Similarity between P&H Scorpio and Cetus?

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:38 pm
by p.r.unicycles
What i meant was that the boat is designed for the same purposes. However, Given the adjustments that have to be made to the boat shape due to the different molding processes paired together with the way a plastic vs a composite boat paddles, the difference becomes quite big.
The ways or reasons a plastic boat paddles differently may be things like the weight of the boat, or more likely the rigidity of a boat, composite being more rigid and therefore cutting through the water better. The same reasons apply as to a fiberglass Vs kevlar boat. These are the things that are hard to explain in words, paddle a plastic boat, then after 10 minutes switch to a composite.

Re: Similarity between P&H Scorpio and Cetus?

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:01 pm
by AllanC
heybaz wrote:Having paddled a variety of boat types, plastic and a variety of composites, I'm curious regarding the statement made above:

"They are much the same boat, but the differences come from the fact a plastic boat paddles differently to a composite boat"

Anyone like to add / comment further on this view, just out of interest?

Barry
I thought curious this too, I have "MK1" Cetus (before the LV, MV, HV designations) and it was often said the Scorpio is the plastic Cetus, but the current Scorpio range are substantially shorter than any of the Cetus range. I paddled my mates Scorpio, again it wasn't marked 170 or 168 LV as they now are, so I'll call it MK1 as well. My boat is I think 17'10" and the MK1 Scorpio about 17' I think. This is a big difference and makes a marked difference to handling and speed, over and above the composite/plastic issue. The Scorpio could be edged as aggressively as the Cetus and I think in the right hands will turn inside the circle of the Cetus. From the feel of it I also thought the deck arrangement of the two were slightly different, but that may have been down to seat/footpegs/backrest/belly but the lack of speed in the Scorpio in comparison to my Cetus was most apparent and I was quick in handing it back.
Allan C.

Re: Similarity between P&H Scorpio and Cetus?

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:39 pm
by Sharpen
Whilst at AS Watersports a couple of days ago, they told me that they have just got a Cetus MV demo boat in, so I will be trying it out at the weekend.

Re: Similarity between P&H Scorpio and Cetus?

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:27 pm
by Sharpen
I can now answer my original question having used a Cetus MV demo boat for the weekend.

The Cetus is longer than the Scorpio, and has a slightly more "V"ed hull. Initially, I could feel it was a little more twitchy than the Scorpio due to the increased V shape, but not much - it is still very stable.

The fit of the cockpit is very much like the Scorpio and I found it very comfortable.

When paddling, I found that the boat went in a straight line much better than the Scorpio and I did not feel the need to use a skeg when I know that in similar conditions in the Scorpio, I would have used the skeg. On the other hand, I found the Cetus more responsive to edging turns.

Once amongst rocks, the Cetus did not feel as though it would turn quite so easily as the Scorpio, and I had to crank it over onto an eadge to make sharp turns.

Anyway, the end result of my use of the demo boat is that I have put an order in for a Cetus (although I will be keeping the Scorpio for rockhopping trips)