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Post by crapaud » Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:21 pm

I brought an early anas acuta earlier this year from the classifieds on this site. Jason from Valley thought it was around 1978 / 79 vintage. It has the same oval rear hatch and bulkhead, and deck fittings - i had assumed both were retrofits but maybe not. She tracks well without a skeg, with a Greenland paddle anyway and I've made rescues etc easier with a sea sock. The boat was painted when I brought her but she has now been stripped and repainted in two pack. i've replaced bungees with latigo leather strip. Has anyone else noticed how light the early Anas Acuta is compared to modern boats? I'll load an image if I can work out how to do it

I think the Sea King was also developed from the same original survey of a West Greenland boat as the Anas. Trinity Kayaks still make them at what looks like a reasonable price. The new Anas is great too - very comfortable, but i wouldn't trade mine.

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Post by MikeB » Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:01 pm

crapaud wrote:I'll load an image if I can work out how to do it
See here!
I think the Sea King was also developed from the same original survey of a West Greenland boat as the Anas. Trinity Kayaks still make them at what looks like a reasonable price. The new Anas is great too - very comfortable, but I wouldn't trade mine.
Duncan Winning didn't mention it in his "family tree" of boats originating from the Anas - at the end of his article on the Ken Taylor boat. It would be interesting to know it's origins.

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Another old one..

Post by Henne » Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:37 pm

This summer I got this lovely one, it has bulkheads, those sidebar footrests, and recessed df, not screwed in, one piece with a hole drilled in for the line.
The chines are not flat but concave, so I figure it might be an older one?!

It weathercocks as long as paddle without some extra weight in the boat, but the manoevrability is great! The boat itself is quite front-heavy, I can´t lift it at the front end of the cockpit rim, the bow will stay down.. (well the footpump adds a bit, still the boat is very heavy)

Do you have any idea how old it might be? Is there a compass that fits in the mould? Think i read that the model that used to fit in is not built anymore..?

Have a good weekend and x-mas time..

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Re: Anas Acuta history^

Post by Ceegee » Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:53 pm

MikeB wrote: Duncan Winning didn't mention it (the Sea King) in his "family tree" of boats originating from the Anas - at the end of his article on the Ken Taylor boat. It would be interesting to know it's origins.
Mike,

This was a topic a couple of years ago, with contributions from Jim & Al27 too.

I'm 95% sure that the Sea King is the same boat that started life as a club boat for the Dereham Canoe Group (Norfolk). The plug was built by Geoff Bent of North Elmham, Dave Scottow and others in Geoff's garage. I volunteered a good few hour fairing with wet'n'dry myself. This was around 1979/80.*

I heard that the plug and mould were eventually sold on to Trylon in Huntingdon, who commercialized it. I guess this is where most examples, and the remaining moulds come from. I tried with no luck to get in touch with the builders (Dave/Geoff) a while back.

Finances and spouse permitting, I'd love to get one, given my past involvement, - then I reconsider, and guess I'd rather have an Anas! But seeing as my daughter and I now have 7 boats between us, including 3 greenland-style rollers in the garage, and my (non-paddler) wife's car lives in the driveway in the cold and snow, maybe not.

Cheers

Steve

*Edit: The idea started when we all did our Advanced Sea Poficiency assessments at Kings Lynn with Derek Hutchinson (who was building Baidarkas with McNulty-Seaglass - pre-P&H) and Tom Caskey who had an Anas IIRC. Pete Tattersall, another BCU coach,from Huntingdon was along, and had some contact with too Trylon IIRC. The club had built several moulds and had regular build sessions for members, and Geoff reckoned "how difficult could a sea kayak be?"
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Re: Anas Acuta history^

Post by MikeB » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:00 pm

Tidy looking boat - thanks for posting.

I believe the compass recess will take a Silva 58 or a Sestrel. The Silva seems to be readily available (with and without an additional mounting plate) but although Sestrel compasses are still made, a quick Google hasn't thrown up the correct version.

The other commonly used option is the bracket mounted / removable Silva 70UN or possibly a Silva73R - most people mount the bracket on the foredeck. Another alternative would be to put a Silva 85 on the front hatch cover. Knoydart (and the other specialists) do these.

Hope this helps - Mike.

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Re: Anas Acuta history^

Post by MikeB » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:15 pm

Ceegee wrote:
MikeB wrote: Duncan Winning didn't mention it (the Sea King) in his "family tree" of boats originating from the Anas - at the end of his article on the Ken Taylor boat. It would be interesting to know it's origins.
Mike,

This was a topic a couple of years ago, with contributions from Jim & Al27 too.
And I thought I knew the site - -

Had a quick look-see - are you referring to the lenghty "paperclip / Sea King restoration"? Or perhaps the Bobcat one? Mike.

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Post by Ceegee » Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:11 pm

Actually this one Mike,

Island Kayaks Qaarsut. It was one of my first posts here, hijacking the Island Qaarsut thread. It invariably ended in someone posting Jim's famous photo!

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Post by Jim » Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:53 pm

Ceegee wrote:Actually this one Mike,

Island Kayaks Qaarsut. It was one of my first posts here, hijacking the Island Qaarsut thread. It invariably ended in someone posting Jim's famous photo!

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The Qaarsut is missing from Duncan's list, possibly it is newer than the list though.

Re-reading the old thread again it seems like it was a completely independant venture originally, but do you think the SK was based on the AA/Igdlorssuit hull shape (but enlarged obviously) or merely inspired by it? The family tree does list several other boats based on the Igdlorssuit earlier than the AA.

I am pretty sure the Vee is similar on both (if only I had one of each to compare), whilst it is much shallower on the NDK Greenlander range (which is also much later).

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Post by MikeB » Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:56 pm

In fairness to "the list", Duncan did (iirc) mention something about updating the list but I'm not aware of what's happened about that, if anything. Mike.

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Post by Jim » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:11 pm

MikeB wrote:In fairness to "the list", Duncan did (iirc) mention something about updating the list but I'm not aware of what's happened about that, if anything. Mike.
The harder I think about it, the earliest the Quaarsut could have been was 2004, contemporary with the list. Al had one of the first ones on a trip in 2005, but I can't recall what we did in 2004 and whether he was there or if he had it then.

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Re: Anas Acuta history^

Post by Incayak » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:26 pm

Jim said:
I am pretty sure the Vee is similar on both (if only I had one of each to compare), whilst it is much shallower on the NDK Greenlander range (which is also much later).
My Sea King launches with an Anas Acuta most weekends. The Sea King "V" is a lot more acute than that of the Anas Acuta giving it a deeper keel, the Anas seems quite flat bottomed in comparison, very noticeable when sitting side by side on shore.

Their handling and speed seem to be comparable with the AA behaving better in rougher seas although that might just be me. The Sea King is a lot of fun in moving water, races, jets, waves etc. and is comfortable for long day trips.

If it just had bigger hatches it would make a good all rounder.

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Post by MikeB » Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:40 pm

Incayak wrote:The Sea King "V" is a lot more acute than that of the Anas Acuta giving it a deeper keel, the Anas seems quite flat bottomed in comparison
I'm reminded that the first sea boat I ever tried was a Sea King (which i didn't like at all) - but the point was that I got into it reasonably ok. Even allowing for a little extra ballast since then, I'd not get into an AA.

Any chance of getting some side by side comparison pics of those two boats??

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Re: Anas Acuta history^

Post by Incayak » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:00 pm

I don't have any photos but will try and get something in the New Year and post retrospectively.

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Post by Owen » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:24 pm

Jim wrote: I am pretty sure the Vee is similar on both (if only I had one of each to compare), whilst it is much shallower on the NDK Greenlander range (which is also much later).
The NDK Greenlander is a very different beast, it has no rocker at all, the AA is all rocker (look at the photo's). The Greenlander is a great kayak for going places, the AA is made for playing in rock gardens.

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Post by al27 » Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:35 pm

I posted a photo of the Anas with the Seaking in this thread. The v is a lot more pronounced in the SK, making it a bit more tippy, just because you can't get the seat as low in relation to the waterline. Both top boats, although if I had to sleep with one.....

http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk/foru ... 41#p450241

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Re: Anas Acuta history^

Post by Jim » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:24 pm

Excellent, thanks for the info/photos of the different boats.
Interesting that the Vee on the SK is the steepest.

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Were these original deck fittings?

Post by nickcrowhurst » Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:52 pm

I've just bought an early (70s ?) Anas Acuta, horizontal deck to hull joint, and aim to pour some love into it. It has no hatches or bulkheads, an ocean cockpit, adjustable seat, foot bar, and several of these decaying deck line fittings bolted onto the decks. Does anyone know if these were ever fitted by Valley as original, or are they retro-fits?
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Post by Owen » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:35 pm

Nick,

There retro-fit, B&Q's finest I think. Mine had some of them on it as well, I cut them off and filled the holes.

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Post by nickcrowhurst » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:47 pm

Thanks, Owen. They are indeed horrible. I'll Google for some ideas on fitting something better, as I'd at least like to carry a spare paddle and a tow-line. Ideas for retro-fit RDFs, anyone?
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Post by mick m » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:43 pm

I like loops of 4mm spectra glased into the deck , ther soft ,can be placed enywhear on the boat and afordabel

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Post by rockhopper » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:04 pm

Nick,

I was only thinking about this the other day for my own AA. there must be a market out there for a fitting that is in two parts that thread together and have a flange under which you could stick a washer, Bottom half would be cupped on the inside with a stainless (or plastic) bar across it. . Diameter of the threaded bit would be about half inch whilst the flange would obviously be a bit wider. simply cut half inch hole in deck, screw the two halves together and then you have a recessed watertight fitting that won't make a hole in your leg if you catch it.
Not sure how you would go about producing something like that, there may be companies out there who would be prepared to run off a limited run of 500 as a special... I know that I would probably be happy to pay £25 or so for a set of 10 rather than screwing some of the other available deck fittings onto my boat.

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Post by Incayak » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:43 pm

I too have an old boat and have used a selection of deck fitting from kajak sport.

http://www.kajaksport.com/?components_e ... Kansihelat

They do it for me.

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Post by nickcrowhurst » Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:55 pm

Two very good ideas, thank you, Mick and Rog. The Vectra loops would probably fit nicely into the two holes already drilled for the existing plastic horrors with their rusty bolts. I'll ponder this while excavating the mud and pond-life inside the boat.
BTW, what an excellent fore-and-aft adjustable seat in this 35 year old boat. I presume a stainless steel bolt or drop-nose pin secured the seat in one of the row of holes in the raised keel section at the front of the seat. It's missing from this boat.
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Post by nickcrowhurst » Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:04 pm

Incayak wrote:I too have an old boat and have used a selection of deck fitting from kajak sport. David
A good selection there, thanks, David.

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Post by ian.miller » Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:17 am

just in case any old nordkapp paddlers feel left out I thought I'd point out that my 70's HM also has the top of the stern kinked to one side. Maybe someone in Valley had an aversion to straight lines.
I also remember listening to a lecture on the first Cape Horn exped where the lecturer showed photos of a nordkapp being twisted by some sort of spanish windlass arrangement over a fire in an attempt to remove a really bad kink at the stern which he said was due to the boat being packed for shipment while it was still curing. Could it be possible that the fine lines of the sterns on the Anas and Nordkapps made them vulnerable to this.
I have installed front and rear hatches in a friends old 70's anas and can vouch for the fact that there was very little holding the main seam together and when installing the rear oval hatch the loss of the original deck bracing made it very necessary to install replacement braces fore and aft of the hatch.

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Re: Anas Acuta history^

Post by PeterG » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:31 am

Henne said;
This summer I got this lovely one, it has bulkheads, those sidebar footrests, and recessed df, not screwed in, one piece with a hole drilled in for the line.
The chines are not flat but concave, so I figure it might be an older one?!
This looks very like a boat I owned until a few years ago, when I sold it to part finance my new Anas acuta with skeg. Same colour and fittings down to the smallest detail, someone has polished it up nicely, good to see it still being cared for. I had let it go to seed once I had the new boat. Reason for sale; that unbalanced weight, difficult to lift off and on the car roof on my own, and the lack of a skeg which made it hard to keep up on club paddles with a beam wind. Out on my own, in the surf, or on island to island hops in Scotland it was a lovely boat; taught me all I know.

Even if it is the same boat, I cannot throw light on its age as it had had a long history around our club (Portsmouth) going from owner to owner over the years. It is thought to date from soon after the club turned to serious sea kayaking around 1981, but it might have been second hand then.

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Why these two small holes in the front of the seat?

Post by nickcrowhurst » Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:08 pm

Are they for a rope loop handle for adjusting the seat position, or a bungee to stabilise the seat, or some other purpose? I'd like to restore it to the original system. BTW, the internal label shows it's a 1977 boat, clear finish.

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Re: Anas Acuta history^

Post by al27 » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:21 pm

Hi Nick, Any chance of a few photo's of the seat? Mine has got a fixed seat, and the same knuckle destroying deck fittings (surely this many boats having the same fittings is more than chance???), so not sure where that puts its vintage. The main reason I want to change the seat is so I can put a back bulkhead in, and probably a front one while I'm at it....and its sooooooo much easier without a seat in the way. Being as its about the only boat I have any sentimental attachment to, I'd quite like to create something in the spirit of the original...

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