Secret Britain 15.8.10

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Secret Britain 15.8.10

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I can't see any other thread about this BBC programme, apologies if I missed something!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... ded_South/

Were we the only ones getting irate that the first section (3:27-9:30) with a double sit-on-top didn't mention anything about safety gear such as VHF radio. They seemed to want to encourage newbies to paddle through rocky gaps and into caves without any mention of tidal effects.

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Well I tried watching the link, and talk about 'wilderness lite'... I was losing the will to live, and would hope that many of the TV cabbages who subject themselves to this type of saccharine nightmare are unlikely to ever get involved anyway; the target demographic must be real armchair voyeurs... one of the classics I persevered long enough to 'tsk' over was when the kayak was left to waft around the place rather than being secured when they went for a scamper about. Good shout for flagging this up - the Beeb should, can, and to be fair generally does do a lot better with subject matter deserving of a soulful exploration...

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Thanks for the heads-up; I actually quite enjoyed some parts of the programme, particularly the bit on the "Holloways". Although I thought the age approximation technique was pretty dubious (5 species = 500 years). I didn't consider the absence of "safety" considerations (in any part of it) to be a particular issue. You could argue that they're generally encouraging people to venture outdoors with no regard to clothing, weather, first-aid, emergency contacts etc etc; to do so would make any such programme completely unwieldy (although they could have a general disclaimer at the end).

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janet brown wrote: Were we the only ones getting irate that the first section (3:27-9:30) with a double sit-on-top didn't mention anything about safety gear such as VHF radio. They seemed to want to encourage newbies to paddle through rocky gaps and into caves without any mention of tidal effects.

Janet
Yes, you were. It was showing the area not how to do the sport, they were properly equipped and even the daring paddle through a a wide gap in the rocks was fairly innocuous.

I was just disappointed with the general poor structure of the program, it flitted from topic to topic with no real purpose or depth on any of the sections. Still it had Julia Bradbury so I'll probably keep watching.

Coast on Saturday was really good though, not least because I'm in it launching from porth oer to paddle out to Bardsey.

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Mr Hoppy wrote:I was just disappointed with the general poor structure of the program, it flitted from topic to topic with no real purpose or depth on any of the sections. Still it had Julia Bradbury so I'll probably keep watching.
I am SO with you on both counts :-)
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I hated it, but I usually hate this sort of thing.

I also hate Coast (twee "hands over the sea" Whig history-esque stuff). I watch it with the sound off, which means I can enjoy any nice aerial photography without having to endure the sound of either the music (horrible) or the presenters (especially Neil Oliver).

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I also hate Coast ...
I guess that this just illustrates what a broad church this forum serves. During the last episode of Coast I saw [North Brittany], I was forced to dry tears from my eyes on two separate occasions [the lighthouseman/photographer's meeting and the war volunteer's story] and I found every single vignette well presented, incredibly informative and, well...fascinating. For me, the sweeping views form only a small part of the series' whole, not its sum.

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Hasis wrote: well presented, incredibly informative and, well...fascinating.
Just what I thought about Secret Britain. Cornish coast looks amazing for sea kayaking, Dungeness looked v interesting and weird and I loved the leeches. And my favourite bit was the fascinating fly orchid being shagged by that wasp - and the botanist clearly quite overcome by such a rare sighting. Looking forward to the next one....

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I see where Janet's coming from, but you know, if everyone who ever wanted to venture onto the water was required or expected to have all the kit we regard as essential (vhf??) then I really doubt there'd be many doing so. For the "outdoor programmes" (or indeed any other programme dealing with any specialist activity) to highlight this "need" strikes me as a little unrealistic.

Top Gear doesn't have a "health warning" about having to have a driving licence - I suspect most people's inate sense of personal survival will rein in excessive ambition. Then there's Darwin.

Which may - or may not - be a good thing.

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I understand what Janet is saying but you can't give a full safety brief every time the BBC shows some sort of sport, at least they had the correct gear on. I live in west Devon and spend a lot of time exploring its coast climbing and by kayak. Over the past few years with the increase in sit on top kayaks as cheap recreational craft i have come across more and more irresponsible people without any experience of the sea, any idea of it weather, tides and the dangers it poses with very little or no equipment.
It was better than the usual trash thats on the TV and i'm glad all your TV licence money is being spent well! (i say ' your' because i don't have a TV, the internet is the way forward)

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Zool wrote: It was better than the usual trash thats on the TV and I'm glad all your TV licence money is being spent well! (I say ' your' because I don't have a TV, the internet is the way forward)
hope you never watch any live streams then..

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Its OK i know the rules, as i said there is very little on TV really worth devoting my time to anyway....

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Agreed, Zool... we're out of Doctor Who season now, so what's the point? ;-)

In all seriousness, I pulled my aerial down in a fit 6 monthe ago or more, and it's still cowering in the shed today. Has left a lot more time for paddling and more discerning media exposure - get your ladders out!!! Woman's Hour all the way ;-)

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OK guys, so perhaps I overreacted: I put it down to 8 months (to date) kayaking medical ban: I'm just jealous really!
Hoping to get back out in oh, about another 6 months: not long......
At least I've been told I can get back out one day woohoo :-)

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