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Does anyone have any experience of NG Kayaks?

They seem to only be selling them on ebay and google isn't coming up with anything.

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I looked at these a while back. It appears its a one man band. At the time I asked if I could view one before buying - the answer was no. I then asked if I could at least visit to make sure there was actually a real kayak for sale. Again the answer was no.

That was too much for me. £1400 without the chance of even smelling the resin. "ORDER CYCLY TIME -15 WORKING DAYS OF RECEIVING CLEARED PAYMENT"

Stuff that!

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Peter Holgate wrote:"ORDER CYCLY TIME -15 WORKING DAYS OF RECEIVING CLEARED PAYMENT"

Stuff that!

Too right Peter, I wouldn't order from someone who can't spell 'CYCLE' either..!

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Dangerous thing - no end toggles I note.

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chris-uk wrote:
Peter Holgate wrote:"ORDER CYCLY TIME -15 WORKING DAYS OF RECEIVING CLEARED PAYMENT"

Stuff that!

Too right Peter, I wouldn't order from someone who can't spell 'CYCLE' either..!

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There does not appear to be anywhere for any water that might get onto the hatch suround to drain away? As you say Mike, could be a bit akward to carry and hold onto. Possibly a bit expensive for such an unknown boat - the main point is though if you cannot try before you buy don't do it!!

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I decided to ask the seller a couple of questions.
I wrote:Hi there, I was wondering if it would be at all possible to view one of your kayaks before purchasing one for myself? Obviously with it being a composite kayak the construction quality is very important and I just want to be sure that I am happy with the build quality of the boats before I shell out the best part of £1500. Also how complex can I go with a colour scheme and do you offer either metal flake or glitter as an option?

Many thanks and I look forward to hearing from you,
Denzil
The Seller wrote:Hi
Please it write me how yu imagine you own kayak.
Example: what colour,design,material.The best way is if you can send me projec to my e-mail
ngkayaks@hotmail.com
And will see if it is possible
Best Regards Norbert
I don't know why but something about that reply stinks, possibly it is the fact that I think it is written in falsely bad English, just my opinion mind you but I feel something is not right. I might follow it up though just to see what response I get.

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It is of course possible that the guy is dyslexic and his writing skills are a poor representation of his kayak building.

Either way, in a land where you can buy a brand new, fully warrantied composite kayak from an established retailer for less than £1500, you would expect someone to at least have boats available to demo before people are asked to commit.

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I couldn't agree more. I saw those ads when I was looking for a sea kayak a month or so ago.

Also, I can't believe that any reputable Kayak builder or dealer would expect anyone to buy a sea kayak of this type without offering a demo paddle. This looks to me either like a scam or more likely, someone with no kayaking experience is importing these cheaply and making a nice profit. The fact that the kayak can only be delivered after funds have been cleared for two weeks leads me to think the boats are being made to order in another country. Obviously this is perfectly fine as long as everybody in the deal is aware of the situation.

ebay is a complete scammers free for all at the moment but watersports have remained fairly immune. I'm not experienced in kayaking but have bought and sold plenty of windsurfing kit over the last few years, both new and secondhand. Not once have I been scammed and everyone has been a perfect gentleman/lady when it came to communications and descriptions. Photography, my other hobby has been a diffent matter - to the extent that I won't use ebay for any digital sales/purchases. Film cameras are OK as that is again a specialist group of people.

With any specific hobby, its pretty easy to catch scammers out but it would be a real shame if we started to have to be wary of our own community.

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I would prefer not to divulge to much, but be assured , there is serious action pending!

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MikeB wrote;" Dangerous thing - no end toggles I note."

The seller must take heed of what is said on this site. When I asked him about toggles which were listed in the description but not shown in the photos his reply was; " You need to look in my new auction from today. Blue deck with white strie.There is photographs with toggle handle."
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Dan@Tiderace wrote:Either way, in a land where you can buy a brand new, fully warrantied composite kayak from an established retailer for less than £1500, you would expect someone to at least have boats available to demo before people are asked to commit.
Hi Dan, I'm probably being thick, but which land are you referring to, and which boat??

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Hi Dan, I'm probably being thick, but which land are you referring to, and which boat??
Probably the Tahe Reval from Shoreham Kayaks from £1,299....
or the Greenland from £1,399.

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Or a Point 65N X-lite / Whisky

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Mark99 wrote:
Dan@Tiderace wrote:Either way, in a land where you can buy a brand new, fully warrantied composite kayak from an established retailer for less than £1500, you would expect someone to at least have boats available to demo before people are asked to commit.
Hi Dan, I'm probably being thick, but which land are you referring to, and which boat??
I would think Malcolm would sell you the "proper" original version of that boat for a good price too.

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Hi
My name is Norbert Gancarz I`m polish that`s why my English is funny (for some people).If you like buy one of my kayak we can meet and you can see and try or I can give you email address to my client.(very satisfied client).
P.S.
Red and silver kayak "sovereign "is my design splash.Norbert

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Are you saying that you build the Mega boats as well as the NG boats or that you came up with the "design splash" first Norbert?

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Hi
If you have or if you see surf kayak from Mega you know that every models is not symmetric(crooked).

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NG KAYAKS wrote:Hi
If you have or if you see surf kayak from Mega you know that every models is not symmetric(crooked).
Sorry I am not following you there. You appear to be saying in one post that you painted the Red Mega boat now you are saying that they are crooked. How does this fit in with your NG Kayaks?

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Jury's still out with me. Question to ask is, does shuffling a few deck fittings and hatch positions around constitute a new design? IMHO no, if, and it's an important if, the hull is near-identical or very close copy.

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Erm, the terms Tiderace, GBA and Plastex come to mind.

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You can say what you want(you never see this kayak in real ),kayak is 42 cm longer and this is my kayak conqueror.

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I did not give you my permit to use my photo!

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He doesn't need permission as photo is in public domain!!

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Norbert - I suggest you tell us where your kayaks are made, who makes them, and if possible provide a link to the manufacturers web site.

Mike.

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NG KAYAKS wrote:You can say what you want(you never see this kayak in real ),kayak is 42 cm longer and this is my kayak conqueror.
It appears on the surface that it's only those 42cms that you could claim to be yours!

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Well I can think of worse copyright infringments than posting a public domain photo, but seeing as it bothers you so Norbert, I've linked it to a photo posted by the (presumed) copyright holder, i.e. the e-bay site. Thus I am no longer using the image, merely providing a link to an image uploaded by others.

You'll note I do not express an opinion i.e. "jury's still out with me" . I merely draw attention to the underlying similarities and make reference to known (confirmed) instances of copyright infringement in kayak design!

Ta, Steve

P.S. this 800px image restriction is a pain unless you can also size images in the phpBB code, otheriswe I'd have linked to the two full-size images (Mega Sovereign & NG Conqueror)
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I think Norbert needs to be a little more open about things if he wants to be taken seriously by a community of kayakers who would appear to be suspicious based on Norbert's lack of marketing techniques.

Norbert, if you are reading this try to be more open with your information. It's only a kayak which on the face of it the price sounds too good to be true. Why not arrange a couple of demos somewhere on the coast and let people give them a try or at the very least see them. Everybody likes a bargain but in the case of sea kayaking I do not think anyone is going to substitute their safety for the sake of a couple of hundred of quid.

Look forward to hearing from you. Never mind about the spelling, I can't write or read Polish!!

Regards

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Fair play to The Shark - I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been thinking along those lines. What is needed for any purchase is hands-on experience, and an indication of provenance and customer care in case there is a problem regardless of design quality. Issues of plagiarism are separate and it would be good to air them as some folks (not just firms) may understandably have a firm stance on it.

Hope it all ends happy,

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Bards wrote: Issues of plagiarism are separate and it would be good to air them as some folks (not just firms) may understandably have a firm stance on it.
Yes I agree. All these little bits of information just lead to big speculation.
On the face of it it all sounds like Norbert worked for Malcolm, obtained a plug,mould or boat, altered some bits of it and is now trying to sell them under his own brand. Using the unusual selling technique of asking for money up front, offering no physical boat to view or demo, not letting anybody see where he is making them. Given that it look to me like he is dishonest enough to steal from an employer - who in their right mind would pay him upfront for something that does not exist?

Is this right Norbert?

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Mark McK wrote:
They seem to only be selling them on ebay and google isn't coming up with anything.
It does now.

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