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Strip built kayaks

Post by Mikebelluk » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:28 pm

Now that the nights have drawn in and the fact I'm quite handy and have part of a large workshop going spare, I'm considering building a strip built boat for next year.

After some research the 2 boats I have narrowed down to are Guillemot Designs 'Night Heron- High Deck' or a Laughing Loon Designs 'Panache'

As I have a mate in the timber trade I will be able to get the wood at a very reasonable cost. Has anyone built either of these or tried one out?

Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated.

MB

http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/guillemot/NHH

http://www.laughingloon.com/panache.html

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Post by nickcrowhurst » Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:20 pm

A most excellent book is "The Strip Built Sea Kayak" by Nick Schade, ISBN 0-07-057989-X. There are 31 copies secondhand for sale at www.abebooks.com
This book should answer most of your questions.
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Post by Mikebelluk » Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:43 pm

Thanks Nick, I ordered a copy off Amazon a few days ago.
I'm looking forward to its arrival soon!

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Post by Owen » Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:57 pm

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Some photo's just to wet your appetite. I think this a Guillemot design but I'm not sure. Nice boat handles well.

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Post by geyrfugl » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:32 am

That looks like an original Guillemot, one of the designs in the
Nick Schade book. The Night Heron is Nick's much more recent
design for similar conditions.

The best place to talk to people who have built, paddled and compared
a lot of strippers is the Kayak's builders BBS. Having been reading that
for years, I think there are probably a lot more builders who build the
Night Heron than the Panache, but that may be a bias because it is
Nick Schade who hosts the forum.

http://www.kayakforum.com/cgi-bin/Build ... /noframes/

Unfortunately, I've never managed to justify a weekend in the USA
to go to one of the various "Meet at the Beach" or similar builder's
jollies where people get to try out boats, so my personal experience
is limited to the Guillemot Great Auk (from the book) and the Squeedunk
Cormorant, neither of which is similar to either the Night Heron or the
Panache. Laughing Loon do some very nice designs, and if you wanted
a Baidarka style of boat, I'd recommend his designs - they seem to be
a lot more popular than the Panache on the forum, despite being more
recent.

To get good advice from people who have actually paddled these boats,
I recommend you ask giving your height and weight, and the type of
trips and paddling conditions you will be using it in.

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Post by Mikebelluk » Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:28 pm

Thanks for more advice!

I've also been having a look at Blue Heron Kayaks 'Whiptail' model, which is for a mid/larger paddler, and it looks very elegant.

Through some good old fashioned jiggery pokery using a bit of tracing paper on my screen, I tapped in an outline of an Aquanaut using a screengrab in the excellent Kayak Foundry programme and then had a play with the figures and have now come up with a design I will call the Miquanuat.

I've started to make a 1/8 scale model of it, and should have a good idea what it will look like tomorrow; I'm a professional modelmaker BTW and have been using my laser cutter to produce the forms!

I'll post up some pics of what it looks like later in the week.

MB
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Post by Aled » Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:39 pm

Looking forward to seeing your KF design! Especially pics of the 1/8 model...

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Post by Mikebelluk » Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:36 pm

The model's starting to shape up, revealing some lines that needed extra work on so I've already redesigned it on the computer.

Doing it this way certainly lets you get a good feel for what the real thing will have in store!

Images on my blog:

http://www.bluggery.blogspot.com

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Post by Mikebelluk » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:29 pm

After losing the first model I made when I drove off with it on the top of the car, I have now designed and made a model of my Mk 2 version, which I have decided to go ahead with for real and have now produced the forms and strongback to hold them in place.. I may live to regret this some time..!
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Post by Mikebelluk » Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:17 pm

I've finally got going on the real thing and started stripping. Main problem at the moment it's so cold in my workshop the glue is taking a few days to set..Image

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Post by chris-uk » Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:10 pm

I'm having the same problem trying to work epoxy in my workshop at the moment, I've had to decide to take a few days off building!!!

Mike, can I PM you with some questions about how you drew your design and how you printed the forms?

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Post by Mikebelluk » Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:55 pm

No problem Chris. I'll be loking for advice on epoxy in a few weeks!
I designed it in Kayak Foundry, [free download via blueheronkayaks.com] and printed the forms off on an A3 printer at work, the sheets had registration marks on then so it was just a case of a scalpel, a metre rule and lots of sellotape .

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Post by frank h » Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:06 pm

mike ive just reached the fibreglassing stage on a nick schade great auk, i am in your area if you need tips or a look.

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Post by Mikebelluk » Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:54 pm

Cheers Frank,
I'll be messaging you soon!
I finally finished stripping the hull today; it's to cold to start the deck in my workshop at the moment.. the electricity used would cost more than the boat.
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Post by frank h » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:11 pm

mike bell do not use polyvynl glue on the deck it produces black lines which you will have to cut out and fill ,and if your doing scarf joints keep all timber grain orientated to avoid weeks of sanding.cheers frank h.

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Post by Mikebelluk » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:40 pm

3 weeks later work has started on the deck..
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Post by chris-uk » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:06 am

Thats looking great Mike, can't wait to see the finished product...

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Post by Mikebelluk » Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:37 pm

I've finished stripping the deck and have cut the hole for the cockpit coaming. Now I need to get some decent marine ply....
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Post by maryinoxford » Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:07 pm

Can anyone tell me why I can't see the images that Mike is posting? I just get a little symbol with the word "image" in it. I know to do "right-click, properties" to get the URL, but that just says URL not available.
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Post by Mikebelluk » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:16 pm

Mary,
sorry, for some reason some peoples computers have problems with the firewall on my website , and can't open the pics, however they are on my blog too, if it helps.

www.bluggery.blogspot.com

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Post by maryinoxford » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:19 pm

Thanks, Mike, I can see the blog okay.

I'm not into woodworking myself, but strip-built sea kayaks are beautiful, and it's interesting to watch the process.

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Post by Mikebelluk » Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:07 pm

Woo Hoo!
Nearly there... only about a weeks more work and I'll be ready to get on the water.
The epoxy has to cure for a couple of weeks more, then I'll then give it 6 coats of varnish to protect it from UV, but I can still try it out.
It looks glossy now simply because it's wet.

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Post by chris-uk » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:26 am

That looks amazing Mike, a really top quality job. That is SO impressive! I can't wait for a paddling report and some pics of you on the water...

Chris

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Post by Mikebelluk » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:47 pm

Finished at last!
Apart from IR Reggie backrest which is in the post.]
Hope to sea trial at the weekend or maybe on Coniston or Ullswater to get seat/footrests sorted.

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Post by johnb » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:43 pm

Looks great Mike, congratulations. I hope it floats!

What are you planning with the main hatches?

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Post by Mikebelluk » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:00 am

Hi John,

The hatches are held down with shock cord from the inside, with a D shaped neoprene gasket keeping the water out.
Hopefully.
If it aint right I will install 4 cam closures.

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Post by MikeB » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:27 am

Superb bit of work - I especially like this comment - "from 21 metres of western red cedar decking I now have a brand new sea kayak"

Not to mention the fact that you designed the boat as well as built it.

If you get a chance, is there any possibility of tagging the relevant bits of your blog so that it all "flows" without the extraneous things in between bits about the build progress? I'm going to Almananc the blog - if it's possible to do that it would make it easier to read.

Mike

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Post by bradkarma » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:57 am

I am pratically salivating on my keyboard here at the office. Not a pleasant sight.

Fantastic job, and an absolutely beautiful result. Can't wait for the on-water report.

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Post by chris-uk » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:05 pm

Mikebelluk wrote:The hatches are held down with shock cord from the inside, with a D shaped neoprene gasket keeping the water out.
Hopefully.
Mike,

This is how the hatches on my wooden boat are held down and they are 100% watertight, even when rolling and surfing. You may need to play with the tension a little, to allow easy access with cold hands v's keeping all the water out, but it's a solidly watertight seal.

The boat looks fantastic and I hope you have an awesome paddle when you get out :-)

Chris

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Post by Mikebelluk » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:26 pm

Lanched Boat for the first time on cold and windy Coniston Water today!

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Handles very well, seems a lot faster than my Aquanaut HV, and turns very easily. Well pleased.

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