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Dagger katana

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:05 pm
by jackp
Anyone got one of these crossover boats ? I am thinking about ordering one but how capable are they on rough choppy seas ?
I find that a sea kayak tips over too easily but sit on top almost unsinkable but would like something in between the two
(Typically will only be used for less than 2 hrs on training runs )

Re: Dagger katana

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:45 pm
by G7AFM
a young lad (15) used one last year first time on the sea used before that on the river it coped well in reasonably calm conditions little bit of swell think it was about a 9 mile trip.

Re: Dagger katana

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:07 pm
by Owen
What are you doing in your sea kayak that makes it tip over so easily? Generally sea kayaks are pretty stable.

Re: Dagger katana

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:39 pm
by jackp
Owen wrote:
Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:07 pm
What are you doing in your sea kayak that makes it tip over so easily? Generally sea kayaks are pretty stable.

Usually do a training loop at a spot which means going sideways into big waves .the sea kayak also just moves about too much and feels a lot worse than it actually is .have even borrowed a shorter beginner type sea kayak and no improvement

Re: Dagger katana

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:13 pm
by jackp
maybe a lot of it just comes down to hull shape /width and length
A hard chine boat seems a lot more sturdy compared to a more rounded or flat shaped hulls which rolls about more with the waves

Re: Dagger katana

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:58 pm
by Owen
A flat hull will tip when side on to waves, a more rounded (soft chined) or hard chined hull should let the wave roll under the kayak but you have to roll your hips to ride the wave. If you sit ridged you will stop the natural action of the hull and then you get tipped. How well are you connected to the hull? How high is your backband?

Re: Dagger katana

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:42 pm
by simon64
Not paddled the Dagger, but had a Pyranha Fusion crossover, while it was great as a river kayak I would not have wanted to use it as a cruising sea kayak in rougher conditions, would be hard work, however as a rockhopper kayak would probably be great, depends what you want to do with it.
Maybe look at something like the Dagger Stratos, its more of a play the sea kayak and would handle rougher conditions better than a crossover.

Re: Dagger katana

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:17 pm
by Chris Bolton
I would have thought a full size sea kayak was the ideal boat for paddling side on to waves. Stable enough not to be too twitchy like a ski or a K1 would be when the wave moves it sideways, but not so wide that you can't keep it level when on a sideways sloping water surface. A hard chine tends to increase primary stability, but can also mean that the boat is pushed sideways rather than staying put and the water moving underneath. The key technique in a sea kayak is to keep your body upright and centred in the boat, not worry too much what the boat does and keep an active paddle blade.