Delphin 155 or Scorpio LV

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Delphin 155 or Scorpio LV

Post by SiKenn » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:27 pm

Evening all. I know the two boats are different but just wondering what the collective think really. After a bit of a do it all boat. I’d love to say I need one for multi day expeds but unfortunately the odd one. Mainly for day paddling/coaching/weekends etc. They both seem to tick a lot of boxes but the Delphin seems more of a ‘play’ boat. Though I’d be very happy to be corrected on that! If only I could afford two boats!!!

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Re: Delphin 155 or Scorpio LV

Post by charleston14 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:29 pm

If you mainly want a mile-muncher the Scorpio would be the one to go for, it’s not got much rocker compared to a delphin; ..which won’t be quite as fast as a Scorpio but is a better hull shape if you’re looking for something that will do day touring “well enough” but can also be used for ocean play. It’s beefy bow will tend to rise up out of the trough of a wave when surfing, whereas the finer lower volume Scorpio bow would be a bit more prone to ploughing in.

The Scorpio turns well enough on edge but if you’re going to be doing plenty of rock hopping and surfing I’d recommend the delphin over Scorpio.

But try both if you can !

Truth be told though, if you’re not already an experienced paddler then one could probably argue that the enjoyment you will get from either boat, will be mostly determined by how much time you’re spending working on your skills. With a flat midsection and soft chines neither boat have an unfriendly stability profile for a novice paddler.

Note some folks use the dagger stratos as a bit of jack of all trades kayak.

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Re: Delphin 155 or Scorpio LV

Post by Northern Blue » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:31 am

I’m biased towards the Scorpio, but only because it’s such a good boat and does everything I ask of it. It surfs well, but once or twice the bow has dug in as @charleston14 says, but it soon lifts back out when you turn.

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Re: Delphin 155 or Scorpio LV

Post by TheEcho » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:54 pm

How big are you? Scorpio LV is designed for smaller than average people, and Delphin 155 for larger than average.

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Re: Delphin 155 or Scorpio LV

Post by SiKenn » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:13 pm

TheEcho wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:54 pm
How big are you? Scorpio LV is designed for smaller than average people, and Delphin 155 for larger than average.
5'7"/76-80kg out of the shower. P&H (and others) have said that unless I am doing lots of multi day the LV is for me.
http://www.phseakayaks.com/kayaks.php?k ... 20LV%20CLX

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Re: Delphin 155 or Scorpio LV

Post by SiKenn » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:14 pm

Northern Blue wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:31 am
I’m biased towards the Scorpio, but only because it’s such a good boat and does everything I ask of it. It surfs well, but once or twice the bow has dug in as @charleston14 says, but it soon lifts back out when you turn.

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Is that the LV?

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Re: Delphin 155 or Scorpio LV

Post by TheEcho » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:47 pm

At 5’7”, have you tried the Delphin 150?

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Re: Delphin 155 or Scorpio LV

Post by SiKenn » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:28 pm

TheEcho wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:47 pm
At 5’7”, have you tried the Delphin 150?
I haven’t actually 🤔. Not sure why not🙄. Just kinda assumed the 155 maybe a better boat. Have you paddled either? Curious to what it’s like as an alto under or is the emphasis more on play?

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Re: Delphin 155 or Scorpio LV

Post by simon64 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:48 pm

What about the new Virgo ? Haven’t tested one yet but hear good things, will be trying one in August along with the Zegul arrow play and others, meanwhile i will enjoy my Stratos

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Re: Delphin 155 or Scorpio LV

Post by SiKenn » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:01 pm

simon64 wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:48 pm
What about the new Virgo ? Haven’t tested one yet but hear good things, will be trying one in August along with the Zegul arrow play and others, meanwhile i will enjoy my Stratos
Does look good. Sounds odd but I’m reticent about getting something,because it’s so new, with so little known. Though it does seem to tick a lot of boxes. I’d be keen to get your feedback once you’ve tried one. Where are yiu trying it?

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Re: Delphin 155 or Scorpio LV

Post by simon64 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:30 pm

Oban sea kayaks. The Virgo will have to be very good to tempt me away from the Stratos, which for the price is a lovely kayak, ok the hatches aren't that great and its only single layer plastic, but its a great sporty little kayak, depends what you want to do though, it would be less than ideal for longer trips where you want to go fast and straight, my trips are all about caves and passages etc and lots of people use them for fairly hardcore rockhopping.
I see a lot of Scorpios on the water, so a popular choice.

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Re: Delphin 155 or Scorpio LV

Post by SiKenn » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:44 pm

simon64 wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:30 pm
Oban sea kayaks. The Virgo will have to be very good to tempt me away from the Stratos, which for the price is a lovely kayak, ok the hatches aren't that great and its only single layer plastic, but its a great sporty little kayak, depends what you want to do though, it would be less than ideal for longer trips where you want to go fast and straight, my trips are all about caves and passages etc and lots of people use them for fairly hardcore rockhopping.
I see a lot of Scorpios on the water, so a popular choice.
Bit of everything really but with the ability to go off fir a longer trip. I do have very light camping etc kit ie 10kg rucksack for 3 days. Might hold off until more Virgo info is about.

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Re: Delphin 155 or Scorpio LV

Post by TheEcho » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:25 pm

SiKenn wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:28 pm
TheEcho wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:47 pm
At 5’7”, have you tried the Delphin 150?
I haven’t actually 🤔. Not sure why not🙄. Just kinda assumed the 155 maybe a better boat. Have you paddled either?
Yes, our club has both. I am also 5’7” but lighter than you, and have short legs. The 155 feels too big for me. Mind you it is the surf spec with full footplate so weighs a ton. Weirdly the 155 is easier to roll than the 150, which I find hard work. Either a boat shape difference, or the footplate helps me get a bit more connected with the boat despite it being too big. Both are the MK1 I think but not certain.

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Re: Delphin 155 or Scorpio LV

Post by Northern Blue » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:53 pm

SiKenn wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:14 pm
Northern Blue wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:31 am
I’m biased towards the Scorpio, but only because it’s such a good boat and does everything I ask of it. It surfs well, but once or twice the bow has dug in as @charleston14 says, but it soon lifts back out when you turn.

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Is that the LV?
No, I’m a bit heavier and taller, so have a bigger model, but my GF uses the LV and it's just as capable as mine.

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