Should I get a Valley Sirona RM or a Zegul Arrow Play? (Nuka?)

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Should I get a Valley Sirona RM or a Zegul Arrow Play? (Nuka?)

Post by Surferman »

-I want a plastic kayak.
-I´m 174cm 66kg light athletic build
I have tried the older Valley Avocet and loved it. (not sure what size it was though.)

I consider myself a beginner, I have a safe roll, I enjoy fooling around in swimmingpools and generally playing with the kayak.
I´m more drawn to the technical part of paddling than the “full speed straight ahead for endless hours” part.
I may eventually want to play in light surf and gentle rock gardens.
-But the kayak must still have weekend trip capabilities and be able to keep up with group paddling (i´m ok with spending a little extra energy on group paddles, but not so much as to take the fun out of things)

So what to buy? The Valley is twice the price of the Zeguls, but a bit "nicer". Worth the extra cash? Different beast entirely?

Need Input! :)

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Re: Should I get a Valley Sirona RM or a Zegul Arrow Play? (Nuka?)

Post by rockhopper »

Not sure how much the Zugul Arrow Play composite is but if close to the price of the Sirona RM then i would opt for the Zegul. Much lighter with good rocker and hard chined hull. Not paddled one myself but had a Greenland for a couple of years and it was a delight to paddle (but much more 'compact' for the paddler!!). You should see if you can get a paddle in both really but I much prefer the feel of a lighter (which usually means composite) boat and the hard chines just add to the appeal.

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Re: Should I get a Valley Sirona RM or a Zegul Arrow Play? (Nuka?)

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Thanks, the low end composite Play and Nuka are close to the Sirona RM in price. I guess i should try some composite boats, but for my first boat i really want something i don´t need to be very careful with. Thus my interest in the plastic fantastic..
I think the Sirona has the most rocker, Zegul Play a little less, and Nuka the least. In spite of this, I have read reviews claiming the Nuka is a genuinely playful, fun and responsive boat. As is the Zegul play...
What does each of these individual kayaks do better than the others? (Sirona / Play / Nuka)

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Re: Should I get a Valley Sirona RM or a Zegul Arrow Play? (Nuka?)

Post by mcgruff »

How about building your own traditional Greenland design?

Light weight & hard chines could be perfect if you want to explore the technical aspects of paddling.

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Post by SJD »

Just out of curiosity, why just those two models? Is it dealer location? It seems like there are quite a few more options available in plastic these days.

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Building my own would be interesting, but in this life I unfortunately don´t have the time or garage space to spare. Also I would not dare use it, afraid it might get scratched! :D
I agree, light weight and hard chines would be ideal. But as I am a beginner, I seem predestined to make a few mistakes that could potentially break a fragile carbon boat, especially rockhopping.
Lots of options in plastic these days, but based on what i have read in reviews, these three ( Avocet/Sirona, Arrow Play, Arrow Nuka ) -are almost universally loved boats that from manufacturers statements fit my needs exactly, that is apart from the Nuka, wich is supposed to be a touring boat, but most reviews say it is every bit as playful as its bigger sister and at a shorter length even better suited for play stuff.
I have tried some other plastic offerings in my club, Venture Capella, Valley Aquanaut, North Shore Atlantic, mostly touring stuff and i find them less inspiring and a bit "boring". The only kayak I have loved from day one, is the Valley Avocet. The Sirona is its successor so I hope it has identical qualities.
Some of the plastic kayaks that were eliminated from my shortlist were the P&H Delphin, Valley Gemini, Romany Sport/Sportive, Boreal Baffin P1, P&H Scorpio, North Shore Atlantic, Prijon Seayak.
If there are other plastic kayaks in the mid-high end segment that fit the "playful daytrip kayak with weekend capabilities" description, that may have gone under my radar, then I´m all ears :)

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Post by Fozzy »

I've got a Sirona RM and it is my "go to boat" for rockhopping and surf play. I used to have a Zegul Greenland GT which was great and very manoeuvrable but not particularly tough and so not ideal for your use. Unless you get the top spec Arrow Play you'll be in the same situation.
Valley do the Sirona RM in low volume and a friend who paddled mine for a week bought this LV version and loves it.
You've ruled out a lot of very good boats there, particularly the Delphin, Gemini and Romany - have you paddled any of these or is it on aesthetics?
Phone Valley as occasionally they'll have an ex demo they are willing to sell, both myself and my friend did this. Pete and Jason were both really helpful.

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Post by Irish Sea »

The Wilderness Systems Zephyr in the smaller 155 Version could be worth a try if you are looking for a playful day boat that can still take a bit of gear when needed. Surfs well, turns nicely, not too slow and very nice outfitting. Several buddies of mine bought Zephyrs as their day boats.

Also have you tried the NorthShore Atlantic in the LV version? That definately feels more playful to me than the full size and would suit you just fine weight and fit wise.

The Tiderace Vortex, The Seabird Scott and the Point 65 Whisky would fit the bill as well I suppose but I don't have any real life experience with either of them.

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Post by gethroberts »

I've got Zegul Arrow Play MV in plastic and Play HV in composite boats, if anyone wants to demo these on Anglesey. They are very cool to use in tideraces!!

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Re: Should I get a Valley Sirona RM or a Zegul Arrow Play? (Nuka?)

Post by RichJ »

Geth,
Didn't we 'test' those in Penrhyn Mawr? ?

Rich

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Post by simon64 »

Anyone know who the dealers are for Zegul ? The Arrow play looks really interesting.

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Re: Should I get a Valley Sirona RM or a Zegul Arrow Play? (Nuka?)

Post by Arthur »

I had a Sirona RM and composite, both 16.1. I found them a bit tight at 5'10" and 90kg (all muscle of course!)... my point to OP being the 16.1 Sirona would probably be a good fit.

It'll be too big for OP, but I now have a Wavesport Hydra which I've literally just taken out on it's maiden run. Like it a lot, quick, nimble, fits me well - maybe even a little too 'baggy' around the knees for me, but it's a novelty to have the blood circulating in my legs and feet when I'm kayaking.

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Re: Should I get a Valley Sirona RM or a Zegul Arrow Play? (Nuka?)

Post by JPS4 »

Hey Surferman,

I'm really curious what you got in the end. My wife and I are looking for a plastic boat and I've narrowed down to the Sportive (SKUK) and the Zegul Arrow Play LV or the Nuka LV, and I'm very curious what you finally decided. She had a Sirona but found it a bit voluminous in the cockpit. It looks like the Nuka is a bit shorter, narrower and shallower, and has a bit less rocker than the Play, so if you got the Nuka I'm curious how you've found it. She's more a 60 kg person, hence looking for something smaller. We actually have just borrowed an old Avocet to try out, but it looks quite wide (56 cm), and the plastic doesn't look as robust as some of the newer boat. I'd be curious about your perspective on this as well.

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Post by swagstaff »

Hi JPS4 Is it the standard size Sirona or is it the Sirona 15.10 which is a lot smaller? I would have thought the 15.10 should work well for a 60kg person.
Its worth noting that there was a much older Avocet plastic that was a different size to the one that the Sironas replaced.
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Post by JPS4 »

My wife has the Sirona 15.10 in Carbon Kevlar, and it is a lot smaller. Problem is Valley doesn't make the 15.10 in plastic. We're going to try an old Avocet tomorrow - though it is 56 cm wide, and she's really keen to get something much narrower like 52-53.

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Post by rhysie »

I’ve had my Sirona RM since it was first available in Australia and it has taken an absolute beating in that time. It is my go to boat for surfing and rock gardening. Lots of rocker with a flat planing hull.
I don’t really understand why any one would want to take a composite kayak out rock gardening, yes they are lighter and gel coat is sacrificial but a plastic boat will lap those hard hits and scraps that would leave you needing to get your repair kit out on a composite kayak. If the scrap is really bad generally a quick going over with a heat gun will do the trick.
That said I do think that at 66kg you would swim in the Sirona RM. It is a large volume kayak even for it short length (over all volume is larger than my Nordkapp Rm).
I have used it for a couple of overnighters and it worked wel but you do need to pack it right ( I had a awful day in a following sea on one trip because I didn’t pack it right on the first day, the second day was much better after changing it around).

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Post by Jonathan. »

I’m also interested in the Zegul Arrow Play and contacted the UK wholesaler, asking about UK retailers. Here’s the answer from Lyon Equipment -


“We distribute Zegul in the U.K. to the following retailers;

“Up and Under
www.upandunder.co.uk

“NS Watersports
www.nswatersports.co.uk

“Sea Kayak Oban
www.seakayakoban.com

“Windermere Canoe & Kayak
www.windermerecanoekayak.com

“not all retailers have stock on hand, due to the distance and cost of shipping we have only just started taking orders for composite kayaks. We have picked a few of the U.K. specific designs as core stock in the U.K. in PE.

“However if you would like to place an order with one of these dealers for a composite kayak we will have a shipment in March!”

Seems that March shipment date is significant - the next may not be for several months.
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Post by swagstaff »

The Valley Sirona 15.10 in plastic is available https://www.seakayakoban.com/shop/Valle ... -p77023406
Unfortunately the Valley website is out of date.
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as always.......

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