Hi everyone, what have I done !!! :) ^

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Hi everyone, what have I done !!! :) ^

Post by prometheus » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:00 pm

Firstly I just want to say hi to everyone out there. Signed up to the forum a few days ago and have been reading all sorts of brilliant info. I am living in sunny Somerset and never owned a kayak before now.....

This leads us onto the what have I done part !!!! Basically I was visiting with my Mum over in Camberley and just browsing eBay like you do and spotted a listing for an 18ft sea kayak. It had been in storage in the boat yard of Reading uni for some years apparently and not used, so finally the decision was made to sell it. I have wanted a sea going kayak for some time but couldn't afford one. Then this one appeared. Maybe some of you may have seen the listing but it was posted with a starting bid of £100 and a buy-it-now of £160. It had only been on for about 10 hours most of which was overnight and ebay was showing that there were already 16 watchers. As I was only staying with my Mum for the weekend I decided on impulse that £160 was not unreasonable so I hit the buy-it-now. I didn't have any roof bars so managed to get a set again from eBay locally which were finishing in a matter of hours for a fiver !! OK so all going well so far. My mum had a roll of carpet underlay in the garage so I rolled it around the roof bars until I had two 5-6 inch thick pads and then bought a couple of 5m tie down straps from Halfords... I was set. Then mamanged to arrange collection the next day which was only 16 miles away from my mums.. I had no info about the kayak other than the pics and brief description .. Anyway fast forward and I now have my Kayak in my garden as I have nowhere else to keep it as it's too long to even go in my workshop which is 16 foot long ... haha didn't actually think about that bit ..

So now I go about finding out what I had actually bought .. so this is when I joined the forum. So I have been reading lots of threads and scouring pictures on google to see what I had bought. I have now come to the conclusion that I am now the proud owner of a Trylon Sea King !!! Not universally loved I gather and quite possibly not the best kayak for a complete beginner but I don't think the price was too bad. Can anyone please confirm the ID???

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One small problem though is one of the hatch covers has completely disintegrated :( . It has an internal diameter of 19cm (7.5inch and an outer diameter of 9" . Does anyone have one of these kicking around that I could buy. Please let me know.
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Also I cannot find a spray deck to fit the cockpit as it's very small, does anyone have an old one that I could purchase? Any help would be much appreciated..

So what does everyone think. Am I crazy? Did I pay too much?

Thanks in advance.
Dave.

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Great purchase!

Post by nickcrowhurst » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:50 pm

Dave, rest assured you've made a great purchase, and the Sea King specialists on this forum will soon tell you where and how to get the kayak ready for the water. You will have immense fun with this kayak, and you'll learn so much from needing to do a little work to get the kayak ship-shape. Just get some training and/or join a club before getting on the sea.
Welcome to the wonderful world of sea kayaking.
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Re: Hi everyone, what have I done !!! :)

Post by Jim » Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:22 pm

I agree with Sea King for the ID

19cm (or is it 17cm?) hatches are still fairly common and easy to replace - yours uses Valley Canoe Products covers same as mine, but I think there are others that will fit the coaming and seal properly.

Hull has quite a deep V so it tend to rock from side to side, but it will sit comfortably to one side or the other, and as long as you stay relaxed and loose at the hips you will soon get used to keeping it level. Some people really hate that initial feel, I never found it to be a problem, even with the original seat (looks like you still have it) I could sit still on the water and use my DSLR to take photos.

That said when i finally got fed up with the fibreglass seat and cut it out to fit a foam one (best to leave some of the sides to attach the backrest - I didn't) which sits a little a lower the boat did take on a different feel and I find it even more comfortable to paddle now.

I paid not much more than you from a friend of my dads (so probably less than true market value at the time) but soon dicovered that some previous gelcoat repairs had completely failed to address un-noticed cracks deep into/through the laminate. It was all repairable but added a bit of weight to the boat. I would turn it over and check the keel for damage along the apex of the V. Where gelcoat is chipped I dig it out with a stanley knife removing anything loose and then check the laminate underneath for cracks or general mushiness. Eventually I found about 2 feet of the keel under the seat area was actually cracked right through to inside - but it wasn't obvious until I started chipping. I added a couple of layers of glassfibre and epoxy to the inside over the whole width of the bottom, filled the cracks from outside and applied a strip of tape all the way along the keel and both chines to protect them. From time to time I replaced worn sections of the keel tape (chine tape hasn't worn out yet). All I'm trying to say is, if it leaks a bit don't panic, they are very easy to repair. Also it is well worth adding a keel strip sooner rather than later.

Handling is a bit different to other sea kayaks - there is no skeg, but you can use the chines to an extent. Anything talking about hard chine greenland style boat handling is relevant so also look for tips about Anas Acuta and Quaarsut (or is it one a and 2 u's at the end?) or traditional skin boats with similar shapes.

I bought my Taran not because I was unhappy with my Sea King, but because I really liked the Taran and it weighs about half as much as my now heavily repaired high mileage Sea King, which I still have and keep meaning to stick a sail on....

I'll let you search for other stuff I have written about it rather than spending 2 hours over a response now :)

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Post by MikeB » Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:40 pm

A bargain at twice the price!

If you do find it a bit on the "tippy" side, then get some weight into it - either with a load of kit, or some ballast. If you've not already found the Almanac, there's ideas on that in the Sea Kayak page - here's the Almanac link http://www.ukseakayakguidebook.co.uk/almanac.htm

As mentioned, hatch covers are standard Valley covers. As for the spray deck, it should be an Ocean 2 size according to an old discussion here. Mention was also made of the Lomo "small" size being a possible fit. If all else fails, get in touch with KariTek http://www.karitek.co.uk/ or Des Mes http://www.desperate-measures.co.uk/ with the dimensions and they will almost certainly be able to get one made to measure. I believe Phoenix will do it for them, although my experience with them some years ago was that they would only deal through retailers. Reed http://www.chillcheater.com/ also do made to measure for their Aquatherm decks - which some like, and others don't.

Can we see some pics once it's all tidied up and looking lovely? Mike.

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Re: Hi everyone, what have I done !!! :)

Post by prometheus » Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:45 pm

Thanks everyone. I do quite like it and I have read about the tippy stance of the sea king, all I have done so far is sat it on the ground on a couple of sofa seat cushions and I can balance it quite nicely on the keel, although water is obviously going to be a whole different story but I think that I will have to see how it goes. I do like the idea of lowering the seat position though, that just makes sense.

On the whole it looks to be in pretty good condition. The only areas that are actually damaged are the ones I have shown here, other than that there are some very small chips here and there but mostly it's good. These shots make it look pretty rough as they are extreme close ups but this is all there is and I have bought a tube of gelcoat filler so presume that would be ok to fix these areas?

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The hull look to be mostly Ok although it is very scratched. Then it looks as though someone has patched up an area. There doesn't appear to be any glass matt so I think that someone has simply masked off an area and then daubed gelcoat onto it? It's very crudely done so I will be rubbing this back to see what's under it , so I can do a better job... hopefully :)

First one is on a section of the keel
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This one is on a section of the chine.
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the edgeing strips are looking pretty rough, should I strip them off completely and check and repair the moulding joint before reapplying a new edge or should I just leave it in situ and put a new strip on top?



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Post by prometheus » Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:58 pm

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Here's another shot showing the keel, or a section at least but this is how it looks all the way along apart from the area in the earlier pic. It is clearly very scratched but no obvious chips or damage. Is there a way to fill the scratches? I would think that polishing alone to get them out would make the gelcoat too thin. Or should I just polish it, add a keel strip and not worry about the scratches?

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Post by MikeB » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:41 pm

It all depends on how good a job you want to do - and how much time and money you want to spend. I'm guessing you've got a "gelcoat repair" product, probably a big tube of stuff and a small tube of hardener. That will work for some of those repairs, and once sanded down (use wet-n-dry) you'll have a respectable job. However, it'll not take colour well so for the rim repairs either accept there'll be some white bits, or use proper flow-coat with colour added.

As regards the hull, it's just going to get scratched. Perhaps sand it if you want to improve it a bit - it'll probably be quite a thick gel coat. Yes, a decent keel strip will help. Where the damage has gone thro (or indeed there is damaged fibreglass under the damage) then you really need to remove the damaged area back to sound material, get a f/glass patch on and repair it properly.

As regards the side seams, ideally you'd grind them off, check the joint, and re-do them. Then again, filling will deal with the worst of it and you could then recoat.

There are several articles, links and previous discussions on all this sort of work in the Almanac / DIY and Repairs section. Mike.

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Re: Hi everyone, what have I done !!! :) ^

Post by nickcrowhurst » Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:13 pm

Here's one about restoring a Sea King:
http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk/foru ... hp?t=32345

and one about restoring a Nordkapp:
http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk/foru ... 515#127515

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Post by prometheus » Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:41 pm

Thanks Mike, I will get reading the almanac :) , as you said it's a case of deciding just how far I want to go with it.

Also thanks Nick. I read the one about the Seaking already, shame the pictures are no longer there, or is that just me? I will your thread on the Nordkapp later, thanks :)

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Post by MikeB » Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:22 pm

prometheus wrote:- -- -, shame the pictures are no longer there, or is that just me?
No - clearly the op there has deleted the pictures from whatever pic host he used. One of the more irritating features of the interweb. Mike

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Post by soundoftheseagull » Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:42 pm

It brought a smile to my face, we have all been there. What have you done.......created hours of work and lots of interest from us to follow the exploits of your purchase, good luck.
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Post by Jim » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:43 pm

I'll have to look through and see what photos I have of my repairs - I'm bound to have taken some.

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Post by iFish » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:46 am

Been there got the t-shirt - exact same situation a couple of months ago!! Started the minor repairs on my Sea King, fairly straight forward and plenty of advice available. Only been on (or should I say in) the water once and booked into a local club for pool sessions next month, going to spend the winter removing the original seat and completing the repairs. Some pics of the first repair.


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Damage to gelcoat.

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Used a Dremil to remove all loose gelcoat

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Filled with gelcoat, bought a kit from suppliers in South Shields.

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Sanded followed by wet & dry, just needs a polish.

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Re: Hi everyone, what have I done !!! :) ^

Post by prometheus » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:55 pm

Thanks ifish thats great. The repairs on my kayak look very similar to yours prior to you rubbing them down. I will be happy if my repairs look anything like as good. :)

Also Jim, it would be great to see some pics of your repairs if you can find them :)

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