Venture islay 14 SOT ??

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Keep me updated with how you get on, interested in your thoughts and experience with the midway


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Will do, bearing in mind my limited experience.
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They look good. Certainly not tub like as described in that last post. Although had never come across that Comanche by Atlantic Focus boats looked interesting. Guess your lucky paddling together as you can work out your self rescue techniques together and even have two boats to raft together should you have problems. I did try a bit of self rescue in waist deep water, I’m not keen on trying it solo in deep water in case I encounter problems so looking at additional paddle float and sling or dry bag with water as a counter weight just in case. Weather has been awful with higher winds not getting out as much as I would have wanted.


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They certainly don't feel tub like either when sat inside (or should I say on top). I put the console in loosely for a feel (wrong way round in the pic) and I feel locked in even just sat on the grass. You can deffo feel it's advantage. Bit miffed as to why they've stopped fitting the carry handles on the cockpit? I thought maybe they'd forgot them but then see a current pic on rtm showing no handles. The foam bulkhead I think would benefit from a bead of silicone around the edge on initial feel. I will be weighing it later as either I've got weaker or it's more than the stated 23kg?? I'll be doing a walk around video of them later as soon as I get a chance.
We initially was going to get a two man but a guy I worked with who happened to be a kayak instructor said no get two so the other can assist rescue. Like you say rafting up will be a bonus if needed, also well handy when having a bite to eat or getting our fins on for snorkelling. Oh and it feels comfy with or without the seat. Glad I went with the deluxe as it's spot on. As you discovered that extra inch or so makes a huge difference.

That comanche does look interesting.
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The colour is Anthracite Storm. Although one is a bit more stormy than the other. The others more overcast lol
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The internal block appears more polystyrene I knocked a few bits off trying to get the trolley out. I had same experience 54lbs 24 Kgs felt much heavier. when pulling on trolley over the rocks and the cart kept slipping with just a few bits on a guy kindly came and helped me lift and carry over some rocks, he said must be 55 kgs , certainly felt heavy so I am a bit sceptical about the claimed weight.


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Walk round video I done today.
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Well too answer our suspicion about the claimed weight here's the answer



Oh and what trolly are you using? I reread the Lomo model A has a habit of the kayak sliding of over rough ground. I was going to purchase 2 but now don't know
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Nice videos the sort of thing you want as a prospective purchaser, shame none so detailed on the Tempo. Look forward to your trials when your able. I bought a few years back a cart for a heavy canoe I had, it has no name Chinese I suspect but is a folding aluminium cart with a couple of webbing straps and plastic collars on the bars. Supposed to take 35kgs but is fairly robust.There are a number of similar designs, with a stand or kickstand to hold it in place whilst you put the yak on
It. Mine was cheap about £35 and has puncture proof tyres. Definitely a nack required I have found, lots of bungee and clam straps helps. Wheels come off but pins will need replacement as corrosion due to salt. I think c-tug looks good and may easily fit in hatch but is expensive. RTM do one but also but expensive. I just stay clear of the ones that go through scupper holes due to damage reports.


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Yea it was the lack of informative videos that made me want to do it. I'll film my first paddle too 👍. That would have been this week but as long as DVLA stay on strike I'm screwed. Bit shocking about the weight too, I emailed RTM to see how they get the claimed 23kg.

I have found Chinese copy's of the C-tug for around £35 but what they're like who knows?
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Been 6 months now without a licence & unable to work (actually lost my job because of it now) & so they're just expensive wall ornaments. I'm concerned that the change of design meaning no cockpit handles will greatly hinder self rescue. I can buy them to fit but that means drilling a hole. I'm thinking of adding a loop of rope over the deck lines in line to where the handles would be to grab if its not possible without the handles. If i can't get back on without the rope i'll have to get four handles.
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That sounds unfortunate news, I hope something works out for you soon . I have a heavy RM plastic SUP hybrid with no handles and it makes loading and unloading the thing very difficult. I guess I had only about 5 paddles out in the Tempo this year. Always lower tide and therefore not posing too much of a self rescue problem. I’m wanting to set something up though to reduce any risk when I venture out a little more, probably two paddle floats and a spare paddle to make outriggers, still looking. I did look at a rope and stirrup set up that people attached to their paddle , it sort of clamps the paddle to the deck which may be worth looking at for you if your not keen on drilling, must admit I’m not keen and still looking into sails which need drill fitting. I was looking at your YouTube vids recently wondering if all was ok as waiting for next instalment. Hope next season works out better for you.


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Thanks, not keen no but kayak angles do it all the time without issues so should be ok, except as it would be for cockpit handles they'd be under more strain than an anchor trolly. I wouldn't want it ripping pulling out and making the hole bigger. I also wonder if it would be prone to twist given there's only one fixing point recess instead of two.
I'll look up that stirrup method. I'll be getting us paddle floats despite being SOT's as you just never know.
I've not tried loading them onto the roof rack on my own yet. I am able the get them off the rack and in and out of the garage on my own ok though. I may get some square tubing to add an extension of my roof bars to make it easy.
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Still on the garage wall, just approaching 9 months without a licence. Annoyingly I live walking distance from a sea entry point but it's not a suitable route to wheel two kayaks too.
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Well 6 days after that post I get 'some' of my licence back and I can drive again now once I get the car ready for MOT. The cold sea awaits 👍
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P4ddy, not logged in for a while and then I got to see your great updated videos , you certainly made up for not getting out last year. Looks like your settling into managing the instability. I’m looking to get out for the first time this week in my crossover sit inside with a club but hopefully will get the Tempo out soon and give my new c-tug a run down the long haul to the sea. These kayaks seem to go against the usual accepted norm of SOTs being more stable and easier to remount. I have been thinking of getting another paddle float, so I take two and a spare split paddle to set up as a double outrigger which I bungee to the rear to help with re entry . Look forward to seeing more updates.


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Yea no more unintentional swims as the stability seems to be no longer be an issue. The wife however being 4st lighter finds it extremely stable and has never gone for a swim. She needs to learn self rescues though.
My self rescues are getting quicker each time and lack handles and the centre console pose no issues at all (except the first few times 😆).
I think a lot of the reports from people about the instability is from those who are not wanting to put any effort into getting to grips with it or are just a tad too heavy for it. But also it's mostly anglers that complain rather than paddlers. As Derek from jersey said need to up your game from a regular sot, and Snapper says it's a paddlers kayak who likes to fish rather than the other way. I'm wanting to get a sea kayaker to have a go as I keep going to lake pier and there's a club there so It'd be interesting to hear what they think. As you say they break from the norm.
It's funny how it's been called a 'tub' yet after seeing a stratos L up close that to me looked very tub like. It's only 1/2 in narrower and 2 in longer and the same weight but being the L the front of the cockpit looks so bulbous. Both L paddlers I spoke to said despite that they can get a good brace so looks are deceiving.
The C-tug performs well and I just carry mine in the front hatch now. It doesn't like the huge stones at lulworth cove though. I must however remember to raise the stand once the kayak is on top before it gets broken.
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Oh also the front hatch does get rather wet if it spends the majority of the paddle upside down as I found on my first outing. However stay upright it remains relatively dry but I'll use dry bags if I ever need to store something that must stay dry. I'll also be getting a water/air tight tub to go in the tank well which will increase dry storage and will be accessible whilst on the water kind of like a huge day hatch, plus it has the cargo net storage.
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I must however remember to raise the stand
Always put the stand on the back side so that as you pull the trolley forwards, the stand folds up when it touches the ground.
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I gave the stratos an extra inch, it's 1 in longer not 2.

I'll try and remember that tip 👍
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