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Brief History of (GB) Guidebooks

Post by jmmoxon » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:08 pm

Following on from the article in CKUK, which listed:
Guide to the Waterways of the British Isles - BCU 1936 (reprinted several times)
Snowdonia White Water Sea & Surf - Terry Storry 1986
Run River Run - Alan Fox 1990
British White Water - Terry Storry 1991
The Welsh Rivers - Chris Sladden 1998 (updated 2012, it included descriptions from his previous guides to South West & South Wales 1994 ish)
Scottish Whitewater - SCA 2001 (updated when? - previous booklets published by BCU in 1982, 1986 & ???)
English White Water - BCU 2003
Pub Paddles - Pete Knowles 2010

There have also been:
A Canoeist's Guide to the North-East - Nick Doll 1991
Yorkshire Rivers - BCU Y&H 1992 (previous edition when?)
Canoeist's Guide to the River Severn - NRA 1995
Canoeist's Guide to the River Wye - NRA when?
White Water Lake Distict - Stuart Miller 2003 (included descriptions from Rivers of Cumbria - Mike Hayward when? & a booklet on the Becks by someone else)
& several "How to" books have included chapters on suggested rivers...

Any more that I've missed or suggestions on good/bad features of any of the above?

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Post by Jim Pullen » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:22 pm

I think the Lakes booklet you refer to was Richard Evans' (aka Ned's) "Cumbrian Becks."
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Post by Randy Fandango » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:29 pm

There is an A4 bound set of notes (loosely a book I guess) compiled by Adam Box called 'Devon and Cornwall River Access Guides' published in 1991 (by the BCU SW I believe??) that is basically a ww guide to the seven or so rivers that had access agreements at that time.
It also has notes on another handful of rivers without access agreements in which the Upper Plym is described as "highly technical grade 3ish!" Ummmm.....
I certainly found it useful back in the day though.
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Post by Mark R » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:33 pm

UKRGB has been around since 1999 - https://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec. ... 5748f2a738

I have a copy of the 'BCU Three Regions Riverguide' - produced sometime in 1993, this was apparently a thorough guide to southern England. Unfortunately, it barely contained a scrap of actual river info....every single river description mainly consisted of dire warnings not to consider even looking at this river without seeking advice from the 'Access Officer' or local club.

Much better was the 'BCU Guide to the Waterways of the British Isles' from 1980...it has nice little mile by mile summaries of most of the major rivers of the UK. Still fairly useful even now.
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Post by jmmoxon » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:40 pm

Jim Pullen wrote:I think the Lakes booklet you refer to was Richard Evans' (aka Ned's) "Cumbrian Becks."
It was indeed, I did have a copy but gave it away when the Lakes guide used the same descriptions...
I have a copy of the 'BCU Three Regions Riverguide' - produced sometime in 1993, this was apparently a thorough guide to southern England. Unfortunately, it barely contained a scrap of actual river info....every single river description mainly consisted of dire warnings not to consider even looking at this river without seeking advice from the 'Access Officer' or local club.

Much better was the 'BCU Guide to the Waterways of the British Isles' from 1980...it has nice little mile by mile summaries of most of the major rivers of the UK. Still fairly useful even now.
Ah yes, there was also a BCU West Midlands booklet & the 1980 book was a revision of the 1936 publication.

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Post by Jon Wood » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:41 pm

Heart of England by waterway-William Bliss 1933
Rapid Rivers-William Bliss 1935
Canoeing-William Bliss 1934
The book of canoeing-Alec R Ellis 1935 (1st ed)

The BCU guide to waterways 1st edition was 1936
2nd edition 1951
3rd edition 1961 (reprinted 1964)
revised & reprinted 1966
reprinted with amendments 1970 (that's my latest copy)

Then you've got The Wizard Dee-T W Cubbon 1934 (more a journal than a guide)

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Post by jmmoxon » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:52 pm

Jon Wood wrote:Heart of England by waterway-William Bliss 1933
http://canalbookcollector.blogspot.co.u ... 1930s.html
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Post by jmmoxon » Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:01 pm

Here's one I haven't seen before:
Stanford's Map of England & Wales showing Canals & Rivers suitable for Navigation by Canoes and other Light Craft. 1934:
http://www.canalmaps.net/A629.htm

& not quite a guidebook, but there's "As the Water Flows" by Eleanor Barnes 1920:
http://www.archive.org/stream/aswaterfl ... 7/mode/2up

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Post by nomorfkindhalbhat » Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:28 pm

Canoe cruising manuel- Noel McNaught, not sure of date. 1950-60s A good account of ww history in uk. Also saw a copy of Mike haywards Lake district whitewater somewhere in my loft the other day if you need the date. Does anybody have a use for these books if I can dig them out ?

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Post by Jon Wood » Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:49 pm

Mike,
I started a thread on SOTP some time ago, trying to reference old literature relating to recreational boating.
Not exactly guidebooks as we know them, but some have details of the routes. And online reading links when I could find them.

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Post by Mark R » Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:51 pm

nomorfkindhalbhat wrote:Mike haywards Lake district whitewater somewhere in my loft the other day if you need the date.
'Rivers of Cumbria' - 1988.
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Post by Terryg » Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:56 pm

A Guide To Scottish Rivers - SCA 1994
North Wales White Water - Terry Storrey & Jim Hargreaves 1981
White Water Runs - Chris Sladden 1990
Rivers of Cumbria - Mike Hayward 1988
Guide to the rivers of the West Midlands - BCU 1987
Stanfords River Thames Map
Canoeing Map - BCU
Canoe Touring in East Anglia - Sports Council/East Anglia Tourist Board
Canoeists map of the River Severn - Percy Blandford
Canoeists map of the River Wye - Percy Blandford

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Post by nomorfkindhalbhat » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:02 pm

Mark R wrote:'Rivers of Cumbria' - 1988


Lake distict whitewater, small pink booklet type guide, same format as the original north Wales guide before Terry Storrys guide. Are we singing off the same hymn sheet ?

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Post by Mark R » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:15 pm

nomorfkindhalbhat wrote:
Mark R wrote:'Rivers of Cumbria' - 1988


Lake distict whitewater, small pink booklet type guide, same format as the original north Wales guide before Terry Storrys guide. Are we singing off the same hymn sheet ?
You're absolutely right, that predates the book I'm referring to.
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Post by nomorfkindhalbhat » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:43 pm

Actually was written by Barry Howell, probably where im confusing things.

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Post by jmmoxon » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:54 pm

Rivers of Cumbria was an A5 book with photo of kayaker on front.

Canoeing - R. McCarthy 1940 includes maps of "canoeable waterways" of England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland & Eire

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Post by andypagett » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:01 am

East Midlands River Guide (1990)

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Post by jmmoxon » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:16 am

jmmoxon wrote:Canoeist's Guide to the River Severn - NRA 1995
Canoeist's Guide to the River Wye - NRA when?
Both now available online (EA 2004 & 2011), plus the Medway:
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/ho ... 32439.aspx

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Post by callwild » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:11 pm

also
"Rivers of North West England" by Tony Tickle. not sure what date this was produced but was small printed sheet I think it predated the Barry Howells booklet.

small point but important to me
White Water Lake Distict - Stuart Miller 2003 (included descriptions from Rivers of Cumbria - Mike Hayward when? & a booklet on the Becks by someone else)
This seems to imply the descriptions were just copied from the previous two guide, when actually every river was visited or paddled & new descriptions written. A small number of descriptive terms & were borrowed where they best described the scenario as in any guide that may cover the same area.

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Post by Chris Bolton » Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:46 pm

"River Guide - canoeing waters in the North West". I had a copy in about 1988, may have been published a bit before that. Photo of Jez Taylor in slalom C1 on the front, taken by Tony Tickle, but I don't think he wrote the guide itself, it was published by the BCU NW Region.

Re the Ribble it says:
"There is a right of navigation... although anglers dispute this".
"If challenged, be polite [etc] and continue to paddle."
"Be courteous to our water users"
"[fishing club bailiffs etc] have no authority whatsoever over canoeists"

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Post by Fast Pat » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:40 pm

jmmoxon wrote:Following on from the article in CKUK, which listed:
Yorkshire Rivers - BCU Y&H 1992 (previous edition when?)

Canoeist guide to Yorkshire Rivers Mike Twiggs and Peter Taylor 1984 acknowledged he 1968 Canoeing in Yorkshie.

Opening paragraph

"The BCU has sice 19 been tryingto make access agrement with anglers, and in 1983 the BCU at last agreed a Statement of Intent recommendin guideines fo negoiations

Canoeists hopes and expectations have been greatly encouraged....."

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Post by jmmoxon » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:23 pm

Fast Pat wrote:Canoeist guide to Yorkshire Rivers Mike Twiggs and Peter Taylor 1984 acknowledged he 1968 Canoeing in Yorkshie.
Although it was edited by Geoffrey Wood. Twiggs & Taylor did the 1992 edition.
nomorfkindhalbhat wrote:Actually was written by Barry Howell, probably where im confusing things.
Which was Lake District White Water Vol 1 (1982), however I'm not aware of there every being a volume 2...
Terryg wrote:White Water Runs - Chris Sladden 1990
& Touring Rivers of South Wales completed the title, so
White Water Runs & Touring Rivers of South West Wales must have been 1994.
Terryg wrote:Guide to the rivers of the West Midlands - BCU 1987
Was by Mike Nicholls & Mike Hubbard (with another edition in 1989 at least)

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Post by Slime » Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:06 pm

[quote]="jmmoxon"
Actually was written by Barry Howell, probably where im confusing things.
Which was Lake District White Water Vol 1 (1982), however I'm not aware of there every being a volume 2...{quote]


We are delighted to announce the new second edition of the guidebook 'White Water Lake District' will be published soon and should be in the shops for Easter. It is under the new title of 'Canoe & Kayak Guide to North West England'. The author Stuart Miller and myself feel that this better sums up the wide range of waterways covered.
ISBN: 978-0-9550614-5-5
Paperback, 368 pages 220 x 153mm Full colour 150 maps. Many colour photos.
Rec. Retail Price £22.50
This new edition has been re-designed to take advantage of full colour printing and there are now many more excellent new photographs that make for a book that is inspiring and a joy to read!

Please see http://www.riverspublishing.co.uk for more details.

Peter Knowles, Rivers Publishing.

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Post by jmmoxon » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:40 am

Ultimate Canoe & Kayak Adventures (2012) by Eugene Buchanan, Jason Smith & James Weir has a couple of Irish rivers, plus the Etive, Tweed, Fairy Glen & Upper Dart amongst it's collection of international white water, touring & sea paddling.

White Water! (2001) by Mark Blaine - rather randomly includes the Tryweryn & the Spey amongst it's 27 "world's great rivers"...

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