Which Blades?

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Which Blades?

Post by James Hartley » Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:50 pm

I managed to break my beloved waterstick zen paddles on the Roy, and yes I was deeply traumatised by the whole event, untill I realised I can now (maybe) make them into splits, and by a new pair of blades. But which ones? The main thing that I liked about them was they where amazingly light, and had an amazing pull, and I want something as close as possible. My options are Tywarp or ATwhite water paddles? any suggestions? comments?
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Post by CHOWSH » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:01 pm

What size? Riverside Oxford has a couple of pairs left.

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Re: Which Blades?

Post by Simon Westgarth » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:01 pm

James Hartley wrote:My options are Tywarp or ATwhite water paddles? any suggestions? comments?
Both are good, it depends on which bent shaft you'd get on with, try both of them first. The AT has a strong rep with those paddler's that use them. The Ty warp is very light, currently I have the 2005 model with a negitive bent shaft, but for 2006 they will be neutral. The proto I have is good, but production will not be available until February.

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Post by cswalker » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:04 pm

Seven2's??? ;)

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Post by jonba » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:12 pm

Streamlyte carbon paddles are pretty nice.

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Post by Simon Westgarth » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:13 pm

cswalker wrote:Seven2's??? ;)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, somewhere in the this forum is a lenghty story of why Seven2 is a complete NO!! I think Walker is trying to make poo pie.

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Post by cswalker » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:34 pm

Moi? :))

Try Werner - very tough especially the carbon set up and a huge array of styles / shapes and sizes to suit all:

http://www.systemxkayak.co.uk/gear_list.php?brandID=11 for UK or:

http://www.wernerpaddles.com/ for the US websites.

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Post by Rockrat » Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:39 pm

Hia,

I just got AT4's a couple of weeks back. These were my first set of paddles which cost a fortune (use to have a £70 paddle) and have a crank and i love them. They have a really powerful blade, which i love, and the crank feels just right. The only downer with these paddles is the weight - they aren't that light, but then again they were lighter than my old Riot Freeride paddle.
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Post by James Hartley » Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:11 pm

I should have perhaps stated earlier, that they are a stright shaft right hand 191 45 degree feather. I, as of yet, don't fancy a cranked shaft, and I have had ago with what my dad uses, a cranked waterstick, which I really didn't like. I don't know what type of crank it is, (negative, neutral, etc, nor can I tell the styles apart, even after Jim once explained it) but it has a zero feather(ish I think) and it may just have been that, but the main point is that I did not like them.
I would like a carbon fibre one again, as I like the stiffnes and lack of flex
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Post by Jim » Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:01 pm

Lendals carbon composite blades are worth a look if you are into lightness - solid moulding like werner et al. but with carbon so stiffer and a bit tougher, mine are surviving a fair amount of abuse I never intended to give them.

AT's are very nice though!

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Re: Which blades

Post by davebrads » Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:19 pm

Try a pair of Lettmanns, if you can get hold of them. Timmy at Brookbank has thoroughly abused his, and they are still going stong (if you know Tim, then you'll know this is a real endorsement). I have just taken delivery of a C1 paddle, and it is very nice.

They are beautifully made, relatively light, and more than comparible to the top Werner paddles.

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Post by neilfarmer » Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:33 pm

A friend of mine in Austria/Uganda broke either 2 or 3 AT blades. The shaft snapped. I have just bought Werner (cranked) powerhouse blades. Very powerful, strong pull and quite light. Recomend them.
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Post by ChrisMac » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:14 am

Try the new kober range. I switched to their carbon ones after using watersticks and they are just as powerful, strong and even lighter

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Post by Rockrat » Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:14 am

If you don't want a cranked paddle don't bother with AT's. They specialise in cranked paddles, therefore they do not have any straight shafted paddles.
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Waterstick Avalibility

Post by liz » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:41 pm

If you want a replacement for your waterstick zen straight shaft then give Kayaks North West (01928710770) a call I know they have some 191`s in stock.

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Post by James Hartley » Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:06 pm

Thankyou liz, I just might, only problem is that i had heard that they where some reliability and quality issues of the few paddles that came out just before waterstick shut down. This coupled with the fact that I have had a pair fail on me, is making me look else where, having said that, I really did like them as a blade :-s
On another note has anyone had a look, feel, play with werner's new sho-gun blades, I've been looking around and they seem nice, and may just be added to my list of possibles.
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Post by James Hartley » Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:41 pm

More of a cheeky little bump this then anything else, but has anyone used, got any info on werners sho-gun ?
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Post by Mark Gawler » Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:53 pm

James Hartley wrote:but has anyone used, got any info on werners sho-gun ?
Yes the transparent green blades look cool on land but they are almost invisible in the water. They also have the strange ability to grow legs and walk!

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Post by James Hartley » Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:02 pm

Mark Gawler wrote: Yes the transparent green blades look cool on land Mark G
Having looked through www.wernerpaddles.com/choosepaddle.php and the sho-gun being an option, the blade was black! Am I missing something?
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Post by Poke » Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:02 pm

Mark Gawler wrote:
James Hartley wrote:but has anyone used, got any info on werners sho-gun ?
Yes the transparent green blades look cool on land but they are almost invisible in the water. They also have the strange ability to grow legs and walk!

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These are Sherpas.. Sho-guns are the river running foam core blades.. A few of the guys on our http://www.kayakstan.net trip had them and liked them.. One of them did manage to puncture them blade though, which makes me think they are maybe not the most reliable paddles for river running??
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Post by Mark R » Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:04 pm

Darn. I have just ordered a set of Shoguns.
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Post by neilfarmer » Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:18 pm

I am using the powerhouse blades, I like them very much.
Great transfer of power, very strong.
I chose the glass versions.
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Post by *Guy* » Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:34 am

I've got Shogun's, I like them lots, though if I have any puncture issues (!) I may consider carbon sherpa's / powerhouse's.
Tim, who punctured their sticks and how? what were the consequences?

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Post by Poke » Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:50 am

Guy - It was rob (robt) who punctured the blade of his shoguns.. Unclear whether the cause was river based, or as a result of being bounced around in the back of a big old russian military vehicle..

Consequences: none so far... He dried them out, put glue over the hole and is keeping his fingers crossed. Apparantly if water does get into the foar core it can cause rot, eventually leading to the blade in question snapping. Hopefully he caught it in time so all is OK...
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Post by David Fairweather » Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:45 am

My brother also had shoguns in Kyrgyzstan, they survived that but he punctured one of the blades a few weeks back on a rocky ditch in scotland. Don't think it's a big issue though.

I'm very happy with my Powerhouse blades.

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Post by GaryM » Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:06 am

Try the new kober range. I switched to their carbon ones after using watersticks and they are just as powerful, strong and even lighter
Be careful though, the blade snapped off my Carbon Kober's on 6th time of use, not hitting rocks either, and supplier has had devil's job to get any joy out of importer. Finally getting new blade to fit, but not what I'd call good service for a £200 plus paddle.
OK importer has changed, but should still try to maintain previous good service. I'm not sure if I'll keep once fixed, as would be suspicious if can happen once, then might happen again.
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Post by James Hartley » Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:42 am

Think I'll give the shoguns a bit of a wide berth, they don't seem that strong if people keep puncturing them, which then lead to the foam rotting and the blades breaking! Not a pleasant concept
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Post by Poke » Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:39 am

James Hartley wrote:puncturing them, which then lead to the foam rotting and the blades breaking!
Its only what I heard.. Like lots of kayak talk, this might be bulls**t, but is worth further research if this is what you're considering...
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Post by newkid » Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:22 pm

neilfarmer wrote:A friend of mine in Austria/Uganda broke either 2 or 3 AT blades. The shaft snapped. I have just bought Werner (cranked) powerhouse blades. Very powerful, strong pull and quite light. Recomend them.
Hey Neil,

I assume you mean Greig (SP?) the crazy guy with the beard! He did break his first set of AT2's I think when I was there but he had had them a long time and he absolutely loved them. So much so that he begged me to sell him my old AT paddles at the new retail price.

The second set that he broke were a much cheaper set (can't remember which model) and he didn't seem that surprised. He was a really strong bloke and doing big moves on the nile will take it's toll on any paddles.

That said I don't think AT's are particularly durable, mine have lasted a year and still look good (though). They feel really nice too.

Good to see you at devon the other day! A long way from home wasn't it?!

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Post by James Hartley » Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:25 pm

The search is getting narrower, I've had a look at werner's sherpa's and powerhouse, and I'm leaning towards the powerhouse, (hmm carbonny) but I still want to have a look at Ty-warp, but nobody has them. I've even downloaded the dealer list, but apart from Austria, you don't seem able to get them outside of Germany. I know Simon Westgarth had a cranked set, but does anyone know if I'm likely to even see a pair over here? Or will it be a powerhouse purchase?
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