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Adrian Cooper wrote:Absolutely no idea what he is going on about.

And I do numbers for a job.
Neither it seems do the IT team in Nottingham ..

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Adrian Cooper wrote:Absolutely no idea what he is going on about.

And I do numbers for a job.
SQL is one of more easily understandable programming languages as it reads like English.

Select First_name, Last_Name
from members
where member_no = 12345;

I think anyone should be able to understand that!

(Get me the first and last name from the members database where the membership number is 12345).

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I learned a very rudimentary level of BASIC, I think that was in 1976 and have not used any programming language since.

I get by.

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Adrian Cooper wrote:Of course there is no separate award for specialist WW canoe at 3* or 4*, candidates are assessed in whichever craft they choose. Indeed, ad 3* the syllabus only refers to kayaking, not canoeing. 5* WW only refers to kayaking. Strange that these have not been 'regularisd'.
Indeed, ad 3* the syllabus only refers to kayaking, not canoeing. I'm confused what you mean here ?

3 Star Open Award clearly specifies Traditional Canoe - Traditional canoe suitable to remit - You could do the moving water section in a Spec boat, and try the open water <F4 winds, but poling a Spec boat ....

4 Star - would be hard to do the Open Water day - sailing, rafts, poling - in a Spec. boat.

A converted Kayak/Spanish Fly type open canoe would be interesting too !

Interestingly, the 5 Star Open Canoe Assessor can be a UKCC L4 Open Canoe coach !, future proofing then......

Re Coach Numbers

The SCA published all the candidates that have gone through UKCC courses. I'll see if I can find it.

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Ultimately, the BCU know how many people registered for/passed all the Star Tests and Coaching awards each year.
They know how many coaches of what level are updated. They would need this information when drawing down funding from Sport England. They would be unable to design any meaningful development strategies without this information.

They seem reluctant to put this information in to the public domain.

The reason they give is 'data protection', which is utterly irrelevant to these statistics.

:-(

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Betty wrote:Good luck with that. The BCU are very cagey when it comes to disclosing numbers of Star Tests and Coaching qualls awarded. I only wanted to know how many people did a particular test and training each year to determine if there was any point in training/getting signed off to run it...and yet they could not tell me, or even give me a rough idea! If you find out it would be great if you could share the info.

I heard on the grape vine (this summer) that 15 people had gained UKCCL3 so far.
FSRT, 2 Star, WWSR - these are common courses and not much kit is required, bigger ratio too, so would be good to run these.

Bit like First Aid, as soon as it becomes 2 years validity, expect a flurry of new providers. HSE are now not recognising new providers though. A review has come out with the requirements to be HSE approved removed. But, the HSE want to still manage the Training STD but that doesn't seem to be clear yet. Easiest way now, is to provide an Aprroved course through an Awarding body (exam board).

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I did manage to get figures from them last year, but only after a freedom of info request & a long wait (longer than the legal requirement with FOI).

The figures I obtained did not look right, over 1000 coaches just in the North West. Having given it a lot of thought & realising I would need to contact BCU again to go over the figures & suspect I wouldn't get anywhere, I choose to change my project due to the lack of information from the BCU / CE, which was a shame as it would have been useful for them. I was pregnant so just deferred the project (trying to get it done now with 2 kids under 2 is hard though).

I'd suggest Freedom of info is the only way forwards, but don't expect it to be quick & I think they are within their rights to charge for the time it takes them to compile the results.

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Gill, the BCU is not a public body so I suspect they are not covered by the Freedom of Information Act. The various classes of applicable organisation do not seem to include such members organisations. Glad to be corrected.

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Scots_Charles_River wrote:
Adrian Cooper wrote:Of course there is no separate award for specialist WW canoe at 3* or 4*, candidates are assessed in whichever craft they choose. Indeed, ad 3* the syllabus only refers to kayaking, not canoeing. 5* WW only refers to kayaking. Strange that these have not been 'regularisd'.
Indeed, ad 3* the syllabus only refers to kayaking, not canoeing. I'm confused what you mean here ?

3 Star Open Award clearly specifies Traditional Canoe - Traditional canoe suitable to remit - You could do the moving water section in a Spec boat, and try the open water <F4 winds, but poling a Spec boat ....

4 Star - would be hard to do the Open Water day - sailing, rafts, poling - in a Spec. boat.

A converted Kayak/Spanish Fly type open canoe would be interesting too !
The conversation was about SWWC, not trad canoe, there are no separate awards for these craft and, inasmuch as they are not suited to the trad canoe syllabus, the kayak syllabus is normally used. 3*WW would be the correct syllabus at that level for a SWWC but the syllabus does not mention it. I have only assessed one person at this level in this craft, unfortunately they did not pass.

4*WW refers to SWWC but I was not aware that the BCU needed to know which craft was being used at assessment since either kayak or SWWC are appropriate.

SWWC is not mentioned in the 5*WW syllabus.

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SWWC is not mentioned in the 5*WW syllabus.

The 5 Star Assessor Notes mention being able to '..identify lines for different craft eg white water and touring...' That is the only time type of craft is specified.
http://www.canoe-england.org.uk/media/p ... 0notes.pdf

Maybe folk can paddle the Trad Open on the Open water day then SWWC on the river day ?

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Scots_Charles_River wrote:SWWC is not mentioned in the 5*WW syllabus.
It is a leadership award and the appropriate test for paddlers who wish to lead groups of paddlers on
advanced river journeys in whitewater kayaks.
http://www.canoe-england.org.uk/media/p ... 20V2-2.pdf

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Have no fear, in the up coming update of these awards, Specialist Open Boat is clearly accommodated, Dave Rossetter was a champion to the cause.

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BCU Annual report 2011:
2,652 individuals have successfully completed Level 1 Training and Assessment, 1006 individuals have been trained at Level 2, and 628 have been assessed.
From 2010 report:
2,500 individuals have successfully completed Level 1 Training and Assessment. 1071 individuals have been trained at Level 2 and 323 assessed.
& 2009:
4374 individuals have successfully completed Level 1 Training and Assessment. Level 2 was introduced during the year and 717 candidates have already completed the training element of the award and to date 131 of these candidates have completed the full award.
2008:
Currently 1700 individuals have taken BCU (UKCC) Level 1 Training and Assessment and early Level 2 courses are now under way.
According to funding submission to Sport England in 2008:
There are currently 10,098 registered coaches in England of whom 4,652 are considered updated or “active”.

Increase the number of female coaches from 2,198 to 2,530 by 2013

Number of active and updated tutors increased from 170 to 320 by 2013

10% increase year on year in number of coaches trained annually in new scheme.
Level 1 from 1,156 to 1,693 per annum by 2013
Level 2 from 0 in 2009 to 900 per annum by 2013
Level 3 from 0 in 2010 to 200 per annum by 2013.
Oops, from 2005 report:
Increase number of active revalidated coaches from 9600 to 12000
These documents can all be found at http://www.bcu.org.uk/about/

In the 2010 progress report to Sport England, updated coaches had increased to 5,431 and female coaches to 2,376.
Link to report here: http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk/foru ... 8&p=662481

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Looks like there is a tail off from L2 training to Assessment.

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