Shoulder Injury and solutions.. possibly...

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Shoulder Injury and solutions.. possibly...

Post by Wavesportzg54 » Sun May 13, 2012 10:37 pm

Hi,

I had a partial dislocation of my right shoulder for the first time last July. Since then I have kept paddling often and only had a couple of worrying instances.

1) Doing a hammer of the last slide/drop on the Allt a' Chaorainn and the back of the boat hit the wall during rotation. I felt the joint try to pull apart.

2) At Hurley today, in middle gate caught an edge and got 'auto cartwheeled' and managed to plant my paddle in the downstream flow whilst the boat was pulling in the upstream direction. I got a sudden violent pull on the shoulder joint and felt it pull apart again.

I saw a dude in a cafe in south wales the other week wearing a 'Shock Doctor' shoulder support. Neoprene lightweight low profile construction. Basically wondered if anyone has seen these and what are peoples thoughts. I dont want to spend £60 for the sake of it but this could be a result??

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Post by LucyLou19 » Mon May 14, 2012 12:59 am

I'd see a Physio and do some exercises to strengthen scapula. This is a good leaflet, some of which may be partially relavant

(n.b. I am not a qualified medical proffesional, see a doc/ physio first :) )

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/dislocated ... der[1].pdf

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Post by Pete Montgomery » Mon May 14, 2012 11:10 am

Suggestion is to not bother with straps and the like.

My eldest son (23) has had surgery to repair the damage after dis-locating and re-locating his shoulder during paddling in a slalom at HPP in Sept 2010, it all happened within a fraction of a second and he continued on to finish the course. Despite the length of time it has taken to get to the point of surgery and a carefully planned rehab of six months where he worked on strengthening exercises to the letter, followed by a further period building up the muscles and paddling, he is now back to where he was before without any feeling of weakness in the shoulder, quite the reverse he has gone 15 months since the op and the consultant has said as long as he stays clear of any further damage for another 9 months then the shoulder will have repaired to be stronger than it was before.
If as it would seem you are intending to continue paddling in potentially dynamic situations and from what you describe happens whilst stressing the shoulder joint, it sounds to me like you have similar damage to the ligaments or tendons.

Both Richard Hounslow and Etienne Stott (GB Olympic Slalomists) have had recent shoulder problems, I believe Richard managed to get away without surgery and Etienne has made a recovery from a dislocation in Octoberish of last year but I'm not sure of the full details but I know they had specialist fast-track help from day one. It may be worth contacting them to learn from their experiences.

My recommendation would be to 'bite the bullet' so to speak, have a specialist look at your shoulder, expect to be out for a year but with the long-term knowledge that it will be a reliable shoulder in the future.
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Post by Wavesportzg54 » Mon May 14, 2012 12:18 pm

LucyLou19 wrote:I'd see a Physio and do some exercises to strengthen scapula. This is a good leaflet, some of which may be partially relavant

(n.b. I am not a qualified medical proffesional, see a doc/ physio first :) )

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/dislocated ... der[1].pdf
I've had all of this after mri scans and the like..

almost a year ago the specialist recommended I have physio and take care of it. basically was better to keep paddling until one day it will eventually need pinning. He also suggested it could heal to 90% original strength however i know consciously its doesn't feel right and probably never will..
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Post by Wavesportzg54 » Mon May 14, 2012 12:21 pm

Thanks for advice..

Does anyone have an opinion on this product?
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Post by morsey » Mon May 14, 2012 12:29 pm

Conservative approach doesn't appear to be working. I'd ask to see the consultant and discuss the surgical options. What did the MRI scan show? If it was a detached labrum, then I'd opt for surgery straight away.

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Post by scottdog007 » Mon May 14, 2012 12:58 pm

Definately see a physio. I got an injury early last year that seemed bad, I didn't believe it would heal it quickly. But I was lucky as my friend is a physio. He did 3 sessions and explained how I could exercise it. And sure enough it has gone away quick and seems as strong as ever.

Now the other shoulder has gone when I got pinned and tried to push my boat off the tree, this seemed very minor but has been more troublesome solving. My physio came up with a totally different technique to correct this, involving my wife pushing hard on the mussel area as I stretch the arm. I would get instant improvement from this.

I wish you all the best.

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Post by Wavesportzg54 » Mon May 14, 2012 2:10 pm

The mri results showed that I have torn part of the rotor cuff the partial dislocation was backwards if that makes sense.

Don't get me wrong in scotland recently i had no pain at all while paddling. But i am aware that it will never be as strong as it was because at best this rotor cuff thing won't heal properly unless it is stitched into place 12 months off boating...

Maybe a consultation with a new physio the last was the NHS one maybe try private?? In the past I have used private osteopaths & Chiropractors for back issue (compression & slipped discs etc).

The NHS Physio semmed great lots of different exercises etc and stretches I have no reason to believe a private one would be any better. In fact the NHS were pretty dam good through the whole process..

So does anyone have any comments on this:
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Post by Rdscott » Mon May 14, 2012 3:11 pm

Most kayaking shoulder issues are caused by impactforcing the joint in a direction or position it doesnt want to be in, the shock doctors asi understand fromdislocating my shoulder are for peoplewho have constant issues with there shoulders,in my oppinionfrom dislocatingmy shoulder 3 times now, they ar pretty useless.

I know you say you were happy with the nhs Physio, but they will give you adivice on strengthening the shoulder for allround use. i had an amazing NHS physio, but they didn'tknow the insand outs of kayaking and climbing so they refered me to a private physio who work in conjunction with my nhs (to keep costs down). I have never looked back stillhave the odd issue after prolonged periods of usebut my shoulder is stable and strong (touch wood)

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Post by Wavesportzg54 » Mon May 14, 2012 3:50 pm

Cool, thanks for the advice especially as you know exactly what its like..

I will save the £55 and put it towards some private physiotherapy
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Post by Colin C » Mon May 14, 2012 6:23 pm

Hi
First let me start by saying that I am in no way medically qualified to speak about should injuries, other than sub luxing one shoulder and fully dislocating the other one. The question you asked was if the product worked, I used a similar product after sub luxing my shoulder on numerous occasions. It did not make any difference. I went on to have surgery on that shoulder, which proved very successful. The other shoulder fully dislocated and this was addressed by physio, which also worked, but that may be due to my age, as apparently research has shown that older folk tend on to re dislocate, and one reason given is that everything has less elasticity.
Good luck, and my advice would be to seek qualified opinions.

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Post by Scots_Charles_River » Mon May 14, 2012 6:39 pm

You need to think WHY it is happening ?

Can you cross-train in another discipline or do physio to strengthen the muscles/joints/ligaments ?

Doing such a 'violent' and unnatural movement will always be high risk.

Good luck, seek medical support from a physio etc.

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Post by GETWET » Thu May 17, 2012 11:39 am

Hi
I have suffered from many dislocations, almost an annual event , Ive had the surgery, ripped it all out a year after. So now I have a very knackered shoulder.
The device have been using for 3 years is this one:-
http://www.physioroom.com/product.php?u ... tAodKnePmA
Its expensive, but its the only design I have seen that provides a real chance of stopping the shoulder going where you dont want it to go! All the others just offer some degree of support. This device has allowed me to start kayaking again, although I actually now use a home made version built around a boyancy aid. The key element is to make a loop that goes round your upper arm with a strap and adjuster buckles to control how far the arm can move. I find I have enough movement to kayak yet stop the arm coming out of its socket, although I dont roll with that arm. I do other sports, Kitesurfing, Potholing and go places, often solo, where a shoulder dislocation becomes potentially very serious. This device has been successful so far and I know it has stopped many dislocations from occurring.

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