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Cars you can fit a playboat inside - help !

Post by geyrfugl » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:30 am

My daughter is looking for a car. She doesn't want an estate, she doesn't mind having a roofrack for multiple boats, but as it will need a low insurance group (ie. small engine) she doesn't want a roof rack on when she's driving on her own, so it must be able to fit her playboat inside. It's a Fluid Nemesis (small) just over 1.8m long. I've spent hours on the net trying to get dimensions and/or diagrams of potential cars, but no-one seems to consider the question "what's the longest item you can fit in the back" to be an important fact.

So, anyone with a Seat Ibiza, Skoda Fabia, VW Polo, or any similar *5-door* hatchback able to tell me the distance from the inside of the closed hatchback to the furthest forward you can push the front passenger seat (on the sort of diagonal you'd use to stuff a boat in) ? And yes, we know you can flop the front seat forward in a three-door, so can get a longer boat in, but she's keen to avoid a 3-door if possible... and I know from experience that it's dead easy to crack a windscreen that way :-(

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Post by Tom_Laws » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:37 am

Hi Andy

Yep - you will comfortably get a playboat in the back of all of those cars with the back seats down and be able to take a passenger as well.

Also - yep very true on the 3 door - smashed a windscreen in exactly that way. I once got 2 G-Forces into the back of a polo.

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Post by Transplant » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:38 am

I used to be able to take a medium fluid nemesis and a small g-force inside my fiesta with the rear seat split and pinned in by the front seat, a 3 door makes this much easier as the front seat folds forwards. I also tipped the seat back to pin the kayaks to the inside of the roof as a protective method to save my windscreen from being at risk!

Hope that helps you some :)

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Post by geyrfugl » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:44 am

Thanks for that, Tom. We've been looking at cars, carrying a concealed tape measure about our persons, but used cars for sale in the trade are all so distressingly *clean*, so I haven't had the courage to take the boat along and say "we'd buy that if this will fit in the back, can we try ?" In fact, I'm nervous enough about just sitting inside such clean cars - it must be a cultural thing - I just expect that if I sit in a car there will be a wet seat with a muddy ring some moments later...

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Post by Tom_Laws » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:49 am

Last time I went car shopping I took a boat and it was fine! Clean and dry and be careful!

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Post by Ieuan Belshaw » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:49 am

I don't think you need to worry, most cars will fit a playboat in.
I've had my mystic & playboat inside my s40 a few times now.
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Post by Jones Chris » Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:08 am

You can get a squirt boat into a KA by laying the front passenger seat back and putting the boat on the seat! Just make sure it's dry and or use a boat bag. I would imagine all small hatches will easily swallow a play boat in this manner?

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Post by Tom_Laws » Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:15 am

Ieuan Belshaw wrote:I don't think you need to worry, most cars will fit a playboat in.
I've had my mystic & playboat inside my s40 a few times now.

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Post by Iain W » Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:23 am

I have 3 door Ford Focus 02 plate and can fit a medium burn in it with the front passenger seat down.

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Post by thetangoman » Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:33 am

geyrfugl wrote:Thanks for that, Tom. We've been looking at cars, carrying a concealed tape measure about our persons, but used cars for sale in the trade are all so distressingly *clean*, so I haven't had the courage to take the boat along and say "we'd buy that if this will fit in the back, can we try ?"
I have been known to take a boat along to the garage forecourt to check it fits before parting with any cash. If you are worried about making a mess then take a plastic sheet along to put down first.

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Post by Poke » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:18 pm

geyrfugl wrote:And yes, we know you can flop the front seat forward in a three-door, so can get a longer boat in, but she's keen to avoid a 3-door if possible... and I know from experience that it's dead easy to crack a windscreen that way :-(
Just make sure that you stick the end of the boat in the footwell, then when you brake it won't go through the windscreen.
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Post by swimboater » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:42 pm

You can fit a 7' boat in a fiesta (up to mk 5 at least) with a passenger in the rear seat behind the driver (fold half the back seat down, slide the front seat right forward, tilt it back and take the head rest off), and an 8' boat diagonally (no passengers).
And yes - it is very easy to crack the windscreen if you are not paying attention when loading your boat.

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Post by morsey » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:51 pm

Having stuck many boats in many cars I have deduced the deciding factor, with small hatch backs is the front passenger seat flexibility. If the seat can be reclined fully, then job is a Good'Un. If not then you face issues. I've not tried an Aygo and similar teeny new cars, but think they might be a bit too small, and especially watch out as the rear tail gate is all glass!

Top tip, ask at your local canoe shop for one of the bags the canoes come wrapped in when new. With the tape off, they open up big and help you slide wet/dirty boats into your car without mucking it up.
Tip Numero Duo, clip the seat belt in place before sliding boat in and saves you hugging theboat to clip it in.
Tip Trio, always sponge out your boat before sticking it in the car.
Final top tip, when the boat starts to pong, take it to a club pool session and use some of the nice chemical water to disinfect the inside of your boat (empty it into a drain on poolside, rather than in the pool). :-)

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Post by thetangoman » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:45 pm

swimboater wrote:You can fit a 7' boat in a fiesta (up to mk 5 at least) with a passenger in the rear seat behind the driver (fold half the back seat down, slide the front seat right forward, tilt it back and take the head rest off), and an 8' boat diagonally (no passengers).
And yes - it is very easy to crack the windscreen if you are not paying attention when loading your boat.
I have recently discovered that a Nomad 8.1 will fit inside an old style Nissan Micra. Well, it did fit but wasn't really driveable as you could only select 3rd and 5th gears!

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Post by Pyro » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:53 pm

I used to fit my DR Fish into my Fabia (53 plate, so the older body style). Dropped the back seats forward and the front passenger seat slid forward with the back down and it sat in just fine.
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Post by LucyLou19 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:49 pm

My star fits into my old shape (-02 plate) micra, and although the front seat has to be partially forward for it, its so wedged in there that it wont come out with an emergency break (tested!)

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Post by geyrfugl » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:57 pm

Top tip, ask at your local canoe shop for one of the bags the canoes come wrapped in when new. With the tape off, they open up big and help you slide wet/dirty boats into your car without mucking it up.
Ah, good tip - and I've got one of those bags from the last boat I bought :-)
Tip Trio, always sponge out your boat before sticking it in the car.
It'll be hard to persuade Sarah to do that (teenager, cleaning, does not compute...) Especially since she knows I always chuck boats in the back of my Subaru Outback still half full of muddy water (and have since it was brand new:) That's why seeing such clean cars on the forecourt is kinda frightening for us. How did they get all the sticky sweets off without leaving chisel marks ?
Final top tip, when the boat starts to pong, take it to a club pool session and use some of the nice chemical water to disinfect the inside of your boat (empty it into a drain on poolside, rather than in the pool). :-)
Hmm, we are only allowed to take our own boats to the pool if they are utterly spotless (that means sponged clean inside and out, air bags removed and cleaned separately, etc.), so this is a bit of a non-starter, unfortunately... We get whinged at if boats have just been on a roof rack for a few miles if the roads are wet... Or, in my case, the boat gets dirty just by putting it inside the car :-(

Anyway, lots of handy info in those posts, thanks to you all.

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Post by geyrfugl » Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:16 pm

I hope she won't be doing this as a new driver - it's asking to get stopped...

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That's three boats inside (H2, Sparc, Acrobat), two whitewater boats (Master, Blast), one single sea kayak,
one 6.1m double sea kayak and a 5m+ open boat on the roof rack. Still room for three passengers - and
then we added the trailer (it was only for a short trip - about twenty miles:-).

Bigger car, though...

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Post by caveman_si » Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:37 pm

You can stick a Disco in a Mk 1 yaris, and RIot booster 60 in a mk fiesta and escort. But im guessing you'll be buying something newer then the last 2?

But if you are buying a car take the boat to try in it. If who ever is sellin the car, dealer or otherwise doesnt want to let you then they dont really want see the car. Just make sure its dry and as others have said if you can stick in a bag all the better.

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Post by Mark Mulrain » Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:40 pm

I got a project 52, kingkin 6.1 and 3 people inside a 5 door 56 plate fiesta once. Wasn't the roomiest but it can be done!

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Post by TheKrikkitWars » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:38 pm

What kind of age? The 306 was a little cramped for me, but a reasonably roomy for a small car, the 2.0 HDi engines* run and run too.

Out of interest, why doesn't she want an estate? (I'm curious because with paddling in mind, it was my sole requirement when I was buying my first car.)


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Post by Dirty Dave » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:00 pm

Tilting the passenger seat right back instead of forward is the way to go. Get the headrest off and you can fit longer boats in, it's how I get my nomad in my Octavia now. Using that method you can get an agent 62 in a 54 plate 3 door yaris. Speaking of 3 door Yaris' though, the roofracks available are crap so 5 door is the way to go!

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Post by edhunter » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:30 am

I once had a 3 door Saxo and managed to get a CR125 and an EZG50 in at the same time. The view was somewhat limited though.

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Post by morsey » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:53 am

edhunter wrote:I once had a 3 door Saxo and managed to get a CR125 and an EZG50 in at the same time. The view was somewhat limited though.
What did you do, wear one on your head!?! ;-)

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Post by Jim » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:35 am

Don't forget to play the insurance game before you choose a car, admittedly I was older when I passed my test but I quickly found by getting quotes for lots of different cars that a small car isn't always cheaper to insure, which is why I ended up with a 9 year old Vectra 2.0 DTi Hatchback. It does 45mpg without the rack on a motorway type journey (sometimes more) and still gets about 40mpg with a sea kayak on the roof. I did find some hopelessly unsuitable cars for about £150 less to insure, but I also found a lot of popular small cars were going to cost me an extra £1000. One of my criteria was based on getting 2 sets of buggy kit in a Fabia estate, the Vectra with the back seats down has almost exactly the same volume, it will take a kayak easily.

My colleague fresh from Uni in the summer has recently passed his test and I think has bought (but not yet picked up) an L200 pickup because he found a commercial vehicle insurance that was both cheap and will allow his NCB to be used for a car in the future. Admittedly he is probably spending about the same on his car that I have spent on my car + the first 2 years insurance, although I think if I add on my service costs and parts I will have spent more, but that includes nearly 28000 miles of driving :)

I was really looking for something more like a Passat or an Octavia but they seem to fetch higher prices and sell more quickly.

Oh, in case it helps at all, you can get a Necky Switch in a 944.

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Post by davidmaltby » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:25 am

if your not worries about passengers you can get just about any boat in almost any car, i had a jefe in a dihatsu sirion and there was at least an inch or 2 free between the front an back windows, but only really one seat available, could have taken someone in the back for a short journey.

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Post by Unsponsored » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:42 am

I have had a Biscuit 65 and Pyranha 4 20 in a Skoda Fabia hatchback. It was a courtesy car so seemed able to take a larger load than my normal car ;) One boat fits easily though.

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Post by Paul L » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:39 pm

Hi my wife has a 3 door Toyota Yaris that we have had my LL Freeride 57 in the back its a river/play boat 6` 6" .It`s a tight fit but goes in there , she has dropped me off a couple of time`s on the lower Tees.

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Post by heather.rock » Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:03 pm

Hi, I have a 1.4 skoda fabia.. and i've never known insurance to be cheaper... I had a fiesta fun 1.3 and it cost £1000 3rd party fire and theft with diamond as a new driver on a low mileage... 2nd year i got the fabia.. fully comp with RAC is about £500 :) and yes it fits boats in :)

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Post by harry_paddle » Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:32 pm

i'm not going to read everything above so it may have been suggested. I have a TINY peugeot 107 which i can fit 2 playboats INSIDE with a passenger in the back. 1 litre engine, £15 tax, cheap as insurance!

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