Flare or Flair

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Flare or Flair

Post by Chris_Eastabrook » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:09 pm

There was much debate on the ferry while editing the Shiva Promo video as to the spelling of flair / flare within a kayaking context.

True concepts are always going to be hard to label. By giving something a label it must have a definition and could easily become a procedure. Procedural understanding often useful at the beginning but often a barrier to developing into a skilful paddler. I reckon that the concept of flairing /flaring is a combination of both of the following reasons for each spelling but maybe one spelling/reason will mean more to you than the other.

Flair because you can paddle with flair or style. To have flair in a specific environment.

Flare that roughly resembles the shape, as in with a trumpet. You perform a move that has a flaring shape.

What do you reckon?

Warning. This is actually ridiculous 'new skool' (?) chatter but maybe an interesting debate.

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Poke » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:19 pm

Come back down to earth Chris... it’s called a boof... ;-)
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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Poke » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:27 pm

Or a more helpful answer:
http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk/foru ... 72#p223772
Note it is flare and not flair by now popular communica, and an original spelling mistake by myself when first naming the concept for coaching terms by introducing it in the Genes DVD.
(In summary, it's a made up word, that was spelt wrongly in the first place, makes equally as much sense taking either of the original meanings of the word, so it really doesn’t matter how you spell it :-)

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Pete C. » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:45 pm

Style guide Pete says 'flare'.

Flair is a transitive verb meaning 'sniff out', but 'flare' can be used both transitively ('I flared the bottom drop on the Laboreiro, despite there barely being enough water') and intransitively ('I flared right over the granite slab').

I think the closest historical meaning that takes both forms is 'Spread out or display (oneself) conspicuously. Now rare. E17.' - it makes the clear link to shameless showboating. A more modest boater would have stayed with the 'boof' or the 'pancake' instead.

And Poke - hate to break it to you but all words are made up, and most of them by Shakespeare...

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by DaveWortley » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:00 pm

Flair, because it's got air in it!

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Adrian Cooper » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:19 pm

Pete C. wrote:Flair is a transitive verb meaning 'sniff out', but 'flare' can be used both transitively ('I flared the bottom drop on the Laboreiro, despite there barely being enough water') and intransitively ('I flared right over the granite slab').

.......... hate to break it to you but all words are made up
And why not follow suit Pete?

Flair is of course a noun with a number of meanings, one of which relates to smell. The noun may have been derived from an old French verb and thence from latin.

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by callum s » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:41 pm

In Scotland we stick with Phlaire, the traditional Gaelic spelling.

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Post by NPearce » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:01 pm

I associate Flair as a means of showing expression thought multiple badges - Would be havoc with a drytop!

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Leinad » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:29 pm

So what do you call a flare with flair?
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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by DaveBland » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:37 pm

Flair sounds gayer.
I'll be doing flares.
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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by janet brown » Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:30 pm

My vote is for flare!
(Just wish I could actually do one!).

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by David Fairweather » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:14 pm

Did you know that the original name for Pac-Man was Puck-Man? You'd think it was because he looks like a hockey puck but it actually comes from the Japanese phrase 'Paku-Paku,' which means to flap one's mouth open and closed. They changed it because they thought Puck-Man would be too easy to vandalize, you know, like people could just scratch off the P and turn it into an F or whatever.

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by edhunter » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:26 pm

David Fairweather wrote:Did you know that the original name for Pac-Man was Puck-Man? You'd think it was because he looks like a hockey puck but it actually comes from the Japanese phrase 'Paku-Paku,' which means to flap one's mouth open and closed. They changed it because they thought Puck-Man would be too easy to vandalize, you know, like people could just scratch off the P and turn it into an F or whatever.
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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Rdscott » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:51 pm

I wounder if there is an old school name for it.

Plus i wounder if there is any truth in callums gaelic wording. i didnt think ph together existed in gaelic. may however be wrong.

To be honest theres that many people that differ on how things shouldbe spelt doesit matter.

For exampleis carabiner speltwith a C or a K (for anyone who deosnt know it is a K relating from its european origins based from the desigen to be used with a munter hitch named after werner munter, HMS stands for Halbmastwurfsicherung) Alsomay notbe 100% true but foolow your manufactures of choice.)

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Randy Fandango » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:50 pm

And let's not forget that other all important point: the naming of performing the act.
In action when doing a flare (or flair) is one flaring (or flairing) or flarin' (or -- of course -- flairin')?
Hmmmmm.....
Personally I've always assumed that every time Simon writes boofin' the g on his keyboard has temporarily and mysteriously been replaced with a ' :-)
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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by DaveBland » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:27 pm

If you are looking for old skool names for 'flares' I'd go for "bouncin off rocks".
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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Chrace » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:08 am

Flair or flare? Take your pick, but I'd rather be doing flares. (...)

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Tom_Laws » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:15 am

Poke wrote:Come back down to earth Chris... it’s called a boof... ;-)

Don't you effin' start.

You can boof and not flare and flare without a boof.

Oh, and in Cymru it is Fflar with a tor bach on the a.

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Tea Boy Tom » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:47 am

In my professional opinion, whether you flare or flair is entirely down to your temporal focus...

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Tom_Laws » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:05 am

It's clearly all about Lateral Mobility.

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Nedders » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:56 am

I going new school with a flur! I realise i may be on my own.
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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Rdscott » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:10 am

how about flange

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Tom_Laws » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:17 am

Rdscott wrote:how about flange



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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Rdscott » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:32 am

Thanks forclearing that up Tom i guess a flare/flaire/fflar/phlaire is just another evolutional step

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Simon Westgarth » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:39 pm

As mentioned before, it was in the making of Genes DVD that I chose too spell it as Flare, and not flair, a mistake perhaps, but the naming was by Dave Carroll. In the years before at Gene17 we had attempted to conceptualise the dynamic movement of the boat and the paddler, through an arcing move. Now this is more about the paddler through both leaning and edging to gain purchase on their paddle blade at an important transition in the rapid, than the resulting product of a boof where it is used in most cases. The dynamic movement of flaring accesses the rivers energy, often through the shape of the feature, like riding arc of a curling wave, or breaking out by driving the boat over a boulders pressure wave into the eddy be hide, or punching a diagonal lateral on a vee hole, it's all flaring not just boofin.

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Tom_Laws » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:46 pm

I hope Max will explain the "Ringe" soon.

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by 66quinny66 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:45 pm

Rdscott wrote:Thanks forclearing that up Tom I guess a flare/flaire/fflar/phlaire is just another evolutional step
As is "evolutional" from evolutionary? :P

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Woods » Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:42 pm

Line! (who's going to call Housey Housey?)
While we're all here, what is the correct spelling of 'phonix monkey'?

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by Pete C. » Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:58 pm

Woods wrote:While we're all here, what is the correct spelling of 'phonix monkey'?
Woods - don't start. I'd got as far as "Monkey in a spelling bee = phonics monkey, but then I checked the source and found they were spelling it 'fonics'. Aargh!

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Re: Flare or Flair

Post by roo » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:56 pm

Now something in the back of my mind is telling me Mr Woods is responsible for the whole of this discussion in the first place.

Here's my 2p.....

Flare - this is a non-discussion in my opinion.

However if you are performing this move in Scotland or somebody on your trip is Scottish - or just generally swear a lot. Then you can perhaps call it a "Phlairgh".

For example:

A lyrically challenged Scot cleans a Flare on a drop, but the landing surprises them - instead of saying "oofffff" he or she might say something that sounds like "Aye, that was Huckin' hard".

You might respond, "Alright Big-Man, Nice Phlairgh."

Even better if you've got a cold.

Phonix Monkey - I'm not even sure I know how to do one - so no comment just yet...........

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