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I have removed discussion of the recent accidents, for the time being.
I suggest that posts about these tragic accidents be confined to those paying sincere respects to the paddlers whom we have lost, on the relevant 'sticky' threads.
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Sometimes it's just too much effor......aughhh
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Many people want to have a wider discussion and two threads have been removed now. The frustration, if I can call it that, is is entirely understandable but there will be time enough at a future date.