New Paddles - which ones?

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New Paddles - which ones?

Post by marv_mcd » Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:28 pm

After a fairly sustained beating my paddles can really now be considered dead. I'm after a set of paddles for creaking and uk rivers, something more powerful than the old Werner freestyles I have (I think) at the moment. I'm yet to try cranks but I'd certainly give them a go. Does anybody have any thoughts on whats good & whats not? Are the Werner Players/Sidekicks the best compromise or is it worth going for Powerhouses? What's the competition?
Any thoughts/comments greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Martin

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Post by ol » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:02 pm

I just got some Riot premiere's, with a cranked shaft. They are the first cranks i have ever used and i really like them despite the crazy-shaped blades.

They are tough too, carbon blades and composite shaft. None too light but good and strong so i can use them for both river-running and play.

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Post by ChrisMac » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:25 pm

I have recently got some Kober carvings and they are superb. Very light powerfull and appear well made. Have a look at this link

http://www.highnmighty.co.uk/ and look in the products section

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Robsons

Post by AlexN » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:56 pm

I'm happy with Robsons. I'm on my second pair of Pogos. The first pair are still in service but with reduced blade area from around 4 years use. They are chaper than Werners. No doubt others can compare and contrast their construction methods and durability. The Robson Stud and the Chilli have larger blade areas and so more pull. I think the Chilli is carbon and more costly though.

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Lightnings

Post by Lambs to the Water » Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:57 pm

Can I suggest Lightnings

Don't want to appear too forward in promoting the products LTTW are importing but I think we can supply exactly what you're after.

For a creeking set I would suggest:

eg:

Cranked
the Lightning cranked double torque shaft is a great 'use all day' paddle. easy on the joints and lightweight with just enough flex that it feels lively. By using a double torque rather than a modified crank extra weight can be reduced by around one third - eg 4 bends instead of 6. This is because with every bend the strength of the shaft is compromised in that area by around 30%. To regain the strength you have to add more material. This obviously adds weight but also reduces flex(adds stiffness). Presumably some of the reason you're interested in cranks is to be kinder to your joints - by adding stiffness to a cranked shaft you increase shock to your joints, now because you've sorted out your wrist position more of the extra shock is taken by your elbow. A double torque shaft does take slightly longer to get used to than a modified crank but you'll get used to it after about half an hour.

Gradient
the gradient blade shape is big and powerful and allows strokes close to the boat - especially important for that must make boof in tight spot etc and designed with modern creek boats in mind. I made alink below to the relevant LTTW page, the gradient blade is black on this page.

Heavy duty glass layup
The normal glass layup is enough for most people but if your doing a high percentage of rock bashing on creeks you may want extra wear resistance. You can opt for an extra full layer in the layup or a half size layer on the ends to keep the extra weight down. If you want more stiffness then you could go for carbon blades - you will also lose some weight but the main noticable difference is the extra stiffness.

Feather
Your choice but would suggest 30 or 45 degrees on the cranks

Length
You choose.

http://www.lambstothewater.co.uk/Lightn ... 0index.htm

I hope this helps even if you don't choose Lightnings. Obviously this is my biased perspective and everybody will have their own prefered paddle. Loads of additional information on the Lightning site if you can work through it:

http://www.paddles.com
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Post by The Shell » Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:30 pm

Dear Lamb,

Do Lightening paddles have a warranty of any sorts?

I will probably buy some off of you in the next 3 or so months as i've always wanted a pair but man do i break paddles.

You see my view is that a creeking paddling is for creeking, and in this country that means rocks and plenty of em'

Ta

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Warranty

Post by Lambs to the Water » Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:53 pm

Yes certainly all Lightning Paddles carry a one year warranty from date purchase.

Fisrtly before purchase we'd like to talk to you so that we can make sure to get the right paddle in the first place and you can be sure we will help you find the right paddle for your whitewater needs.

We'll guarantee blades for a year from purchase date, refund, repair or replacing at our discretion. Remember that paddles are not unbreakable, every manufacturer does get some breakage and there is wear and tear on any paddle. Nothing lasts forever.

LTTW are a small company and we can't afford to have great geal of warranty issues. The reason we've chosen the brands we represent is partly because they will give little trouble in this regard and that was true when choosing a paddle manufacturer. Lightning have one of the best reputations for durability and choosing the right materials etc. They have for example past over using some components because of concerns over durability only to see other manufacturers have use them and subsequently have problems.

Should a problem arise come a speak to us and we'll resolve it the best we can.
Tim

MikeR

Post by MikeR » Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:44 pm

I personally have had superb service from my trusty Rough Stuff Tempests. Bombproof as you like and they tend to wear, rather than crack, split, splinter and generally turn to mush (Werners anyone?). I've lost count of the number of times I've expected to end up with a snapped blade and have been pleasantly surprised to see all is still well.

Shaft-wise, they originally had a skyshaft, but this was changed to a double dutch crank when I developed tensinovitis. I had no problems with either shaft. I believe Rough Stuff now do cranked shafts.

As for Lightnings, my friend has a set that have been going for about 8 years (I think) and still look brand new. And he's not overly light on paddles (some of the things I've seen that man do..... tsk, tsk!). Great blades and a chunk lighter than some others out there.

Mike.

PS this reply is the kiss of death; guess who's going to snap his blades next time out!

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