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Absolutely fantastic!

(but will the video be banned by the BCU for those missing life jackets!)
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Despite all the macho big-water head cam vids I have seen on this site - that has to be one of the most exciting and amazing boating videos posted. It certainly made my flesh tingle.

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I was lucky enough to see one of these whilst on my way home after a boating weekend in Scotland a couple of years back. We'd stopped in a services (OK, nowhere near as impressive as in the middle of a lake) and it was certainly a sight to behold.

One element of natures majesty you don't get from that video though is quite what happens when you're standing underneath so many birds...
Lets just say you won't be wanting to wear the same clothes again the next day...
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WOW!

I used to think the Starlings on Runcorn Bridge at Teatime were impressive, but that's breathtaking.

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Amazing! I once saw a similar display whilst walking up a hill in Rome many years ago. Absolutely breathtaking!
Everyone just stopped and gaped in awe. Afterwards I genuinely wondered if I'd dreamt it until the others with me started excitedly talking about what we'd just seen.
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I remember being out surfing off the beach at Aberystwyth one January with a display from the starlings coming back to roost under the pier.
The coordination and precision is mesmerising.

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Philb75 wrote:I remember being out surfing off the beach at Aberystwyth one January with a display from the starlings coming back to roost under the pier.
The coordination and precision is mesmerising.
Yeah its pretty amazing. They do it like clockwork every evening at sunset from around September-late March/early April, apparently for over 100 years now. Bizzarley enough as soon as the sun dips down behind the sea they are gone within minutes (they nest under the pier). I might have to swing by tonight I think...


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Yes but it can't be real - David Attenborough isn't talking in hushed tones over it! They say that 2-300 years ago starlings were shy woodland birds and then the theory is something happened to do with the Industrial Revolution which changed their habits. Don't quote me as it might have been Bill Oddie who spread the rumour!

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Three winters ago we had a similar display visible from my house, every evening for several weeks. Sadly they haven't been back in such numbers since, although not everyone was sorry to see them go as they make an almighty mess where they roost. Poke is right about the perils of being underneath them - you can hear the constant splat-splat-splat.

I took lots of photographs, but still shots really don't capture what it's like.

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Dave Manby wrote:Yes but it can't be real - David Attenborough isn't talking in hushed tones over it! They say that 2-300 years ago starlings were shy woodland birds and then the theory is something happened to do with the Industrial Revolution which changed their habits. Don't quote me as it might have been Bill Oddie who spread the rumour!
Actually I think that may have been robins, which are shy woodland birds in other parts of Europe but practically tame here.
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Just seen this vid on Autumn Watch

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Hi Steve,
That is a stunning photo of the murmuration!
I wonder if you could give me permission to use it in my invitation for an eve of poetry and music in Devon? (A third of the £5 entrance fee will go to a charity for indigenous peoples, I haven't decided on which one yet)

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Hi Alex,
Fraid I don't have much to add to the murmuration chat (other than they look amazing on that scale), but if you're still looking for a charity then I'd like to put the Heart of Borneo Rainforest Foundation in the runnings for you.

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AlexMB wrote:Hi Steve,
That is a stunning photo of the murmuration!
I wonder if you could give me permission to use it in my invitation for an eve of poetry and music in Devon? (A third of the £5 entrance fee will go to a charity for indigenous peoples, I haven't decided on which one yet)

thanks
look forward to hearing from you
Alex
You're welcome Alex. There's a larger copy here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevebalcombe/8721812930/
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thanks Steve, I really appreciate that!

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