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clarky999 wrote:Don't know if it's Snowdonia, but the Arddu (including above Llanberris falls) is continuously reasonably steep...
Indeed it is, 72m'km off the top of my head! Not steep enough though.

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This reminds me of hiking up some waterfalls while staying on a campsite in snowdon.. the next night it chucked it down and it looked paddleable... Is it near Plas Gynant and and Beddgelert?

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Im thinking along the lines of the The Llafar? or the Caseg?

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Thats nothing kids, here in sunny scotland we have got a few sections more than a km in length dropping >300m/km...

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Afon Aber?

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The Afon Inahurry ?

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callum s wrote:Thats nothing kids, here in sunny scotland we have got a few sections more than a km in length dropping >300m/km...
Would this be the Braveheart Burn? Can't think of many others that steep..? Pray tell....!
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nomorfkindhalbhat wrote:One of those streams that drop into the Conwy from the left after the Llugwy confluence. ?
The jobbie which broke the dam? I can't think of the name of the ditch....

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After a brief glance at a map Invervar is just over that steep for >1km. Braveheart is probably a contender too.

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callum s wrote:After a brief glance at a map Invervar is just over that steep for >1km. Braveheart is probably a contender too.
No it ain't! Sorry to be pedantic, but 300m/km is VERY steep. Inverar is about 150m/km (three thick 50m contour lines over one grid square). Braveheart looks to be around 250m/km but does have at least one large waterfall to portage.

Inchree Falls is a short section that must be a similar gradient but Bing Maps doesn't seem to want to show the large scale OS map any more :-(

Whatever Tom's answer is, if it's one of those left bank Conwy tribs, it's a mank-fest!
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No it ain't! Sorry to be pedantic, but 300m/km is VERY steep. Inverar is about 150m/km (three thick 50m contour lines over one grid square). Braveheart looks to be around 250m/km but does have at least one large waterfall to portage.
Bloody pedants. Oh well in my brief glance at a map i must have assumed 20m contours. Sorry to disappoint you all.
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Although my details have been shot down my main point stands, its still steeper in Scotland... :P

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C'mon Tom I'm curious to know the answer.

Is it one of the horrible streams north of the Ogwen? The Rheadr Fawr, perhaps?

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pistyll rheadr? definitely not a section, but it's bloody steep.

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Dr Robin wrote:C'mon Tom I'm curious to know the answer.

Is it one of the horrible streams north of the Ogwen? The Rheadr Fawr, perhaps?
How horrible is horrible? Reading my copy of the welsh rivers has made me want to at least go look at the three ogwen tribs, though it only makes the Marchlyn Mawr sound entirely worthwhile.
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Lower Prysor - it's approx 200m in just over 2K. Prodigiously steep.
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I re-visited the Marchylyn Mawr on my trip back in 2010 and am sorry to tell you my previous exuberence was really misplaced. Having done sections about 25 years ago in the shadow of the pioneers like Ray Rowe and Nigel Foster I was wearing very rose tinted glasses! It is overgrown and terrible. There are some good falls but most are treed out and the bottome section is full of man made hazzards and essentially none of it is worth the 20 or so portages!

As bad as it was my true regret was not putting Tom and Patrick through it! I did however, manage to persuade Patrick to paddle the upper Leri with me. I believe he is still having therapy for that one!

Isn't Braveheart burn in Sotland? Isn't that a bit like me answering Tom's question by quoting some creeks out here in BC?

The section above Aber Falls is steep! Not many trees but some marginal drops- and don't miss the take out. The walk in is extreme!

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chris s sladden wrote:I did however, manage to persuade Patrick to paddle the upper Leri with me. I believe he is still having therapy for that one!
I really like that run :D just down to Tal-y-bont? Get out before the nasty load of weirs? It's brill when theres enough water...

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banzer wrote:
callum s wrote:Inchree Falls is a short section that must be a similar gradient but Bing Maps doesn't seem to want to show the large scale OS map any more :-(
Just for info, they're available on Ordnance Survey get-a-map once you realise they are no longer the default - you have to click 'Leisure' and zoom in far enough to get the 1:25,000 map.

However I just tried that for Inchree and the closest you can get is a large view of the 1:50,000 map. Since 1:25,000 printed maps are available for the whole of GB, I assume that must mean some areas haven't yet been made available on get-a-map at that scale? Maybe that in turn affects Bing?
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I thought that they hadn't bothere with 1:25000 for some areas?

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I don't know. That is, I know the printed 1:25,000 maps exist for the whole of GB (see http://www.shop.ordnancesurveyleisure.c ... 0319239162), but I don't know what the score is re online access.
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Did we ever find out which it is? Sorry if you have, I couldn't see it!
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steve1rc wrote:Did we ever find out which it is? Sorry if you have, I couldn't see it!
Here comes the punch line...

You'll have to buy the book next year and find out!

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I was going to buy the book, but now I don't think I'll bother.

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I'd be morelikly to buy the book if i knew the answers to this as i guess its not in the old one i already have.

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Rdscott wrote:I'd be morelikly to buy the book if I knew the answers to this as I guess its not in the old one I already have.
Same here.

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yawn!

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Watch out for a Christmas present from the WR team....

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If tom doesn't tell you soon, I'll go on his computer and find out.

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andrew butler 101 wrote:If tom doesn't tell you soon, I'll go on his computer and find out.
Try to keep it dry and check the inclinometer is working before you set off.

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