Craft Specific Coaching Award

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Last year whilst engaged in healthy debate about the UKCC Coaching scheme and the BCU insisting that I must paddle a loathsome Kayak to become a coach.

I was informed by someone in the 'know' that there would be a craft specific coaching award brought out to appease dinosaurs like myself that have no intention ever of coaching Kayaking.

Is this still a work in progress never to see the light of day?

I know with all things BCU if it can be done an easy way and a hard way they will choose the hardest possible route taking the longest time and then screw it up.
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There's no reason that you can't coach kayaking from your canoe... I know two L5 coaches who only paddle canoes and C1's...

If you don't want to learn how to coach kayaking however, then I think you may just have to grit your teeth and bare it for the assessment; as the BCU feels (quite rightly IMO) that it's coaches should have a broad range of knowlege within paddlesports.
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I thought the OCA were going to be doing something but there is nothing on their website about it.

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There is the sit on top coaching award developed by coaches within Mainstream, and indeed encouraged by Mainstream and recognised by the AALA. There is also an assistant coaches award, I cannot remember what it is called again developed with encouragement from Mainstream and recognised by AALA. Both have proved quite popular with centres who need coaches trained to run introductory canoeing activities, with a realistically affordable qualification accepted by insurers.

I suspect neither of these really meets your needs and as AALA is due to bite the dust next year I'm not sure where that leaves these new awards at the stage. It does though show that there is scope for coaching awards that will be accepted by insurers developed outside the remit of the BCU.
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TheKrikkitWars wrote:There's no reason that you can't coach kayaking from your canoe... I know two L5 coaches who only paddle canoes and C1's...
Yes, but they both have at least 4 Star in kayak as well. They just choose to coach from their canoes.
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Wilf wrote:
TheKrikkitWars wrote:There's no reason that you can't coach kayaking from your canoe... I know two L5 coaches who only paddle canoes and C1's...
Yes, but they both have at least 4 Star in kayak as well. They just choose to coach from their canoes.
Wilf, whilst I don't know if they actually did, I've been informed that people *can* take the 4 and 5 star [Inland Kayak] awards from a suitable C1 or OC1...
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The point I have is who would come to me for Kayak coaching when I have very little kayak experience just the barest minimum to pass the required tickets.

I specialise in wilderness travel and that requires a sound background in open canoeing and related expedition skills. I am not interested in competitive sport.

I want anyone choosing to come to me to learn the most efficient open canoe strategies to travel in remote white water.

Paddling a Sit On Top for a few hours does not improve my coaching skills or extend my knowledge of canoeing.

Equally there are those people who have no interest or desire to paddle a canoe. If I ended up with a coach that had paddled a canoe enough to scrap a level 2 I would feel somewhat sort changed.

There is room for generic coaching in outdoor centres but when I want to improve my skills I want to be taught but someone with the skills and experience to develop my mine.
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forestknights wrote:If I ended up with a coach that had paddled a canoe enough to scrap a level 2 I would feel somewhat sort changed.

There is room for generic coaching in outdoor centres but when I want to improve my skills I want to be taught but someone with the skills and experience to develop my mine.
Hi Wayne, I think there are two distinct issues here. Someone at level 2 needs to paddling at 3* in both diciplines although just scraping this would, I think qualify as short change.

The second point relates to someone training and assessing the level 2 or higher skills award. These people would definitely have higher qualifications, an old A3 would have 4* canoe and an A4 would have 5*. To coach old 4* they would need to have 4* and A1* so a good level of skill and experience. Since the change in the system, the coach training scheme has dispensed with these old qualifications, I really don't know how they choose the new trainers but someone training and assessing level 2 would definitely need 4* and coaching 4* would need 5* so for these, I really don't think you should worry about their competence.

I absolutely get where you are coming from with your own requirements not being matched by what the BCU have on offer. I have become boring on that subject.

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