Owen, I agree with a lot of what you say & in fact wish that it was the way things operated everywhere, with common sense! My comments related to Adrians post above & the dangers that pathway could lead to.Owen wrote:If x, y or z wants to run trips for our club they can, if we don't think they're up to doing it on their own we buddy them with someone who is.neil.farmer wrote:The other thing to consider, and I am no expert here is who is ultimately responsible for organising club trips. Is there a decision making process as to how the club organising committee sets up trips? How do they know that "x, y or z" is capable of leading the trip safely?
A "bit of paper from the NGB" is the easiest way to demonstrate that......Why not ask your NGB coaching staff for advice & backup?
I know some really crap BCU coaches, I know some really good ones as well, I also know some people with no papers at all but who are great at coaching. Your bit of paper doesn't demonstrate anything to us only your ability does. People who lead our trips are not some unknown stranger, we know them and regually paddle with them, therefore we know we can trust them.
Your point about "justify their decisions and actions" is the same for everyone, makes no difference whether they have a bit of paper or not. If someone's acted negligently or recklessly then they can be called to account if they haven't then they've nothing to fear. Too many people seem more worried about making sure their arse is covered than they do about helping people to get out paddling. A pity as the boggyman civil claims lawyers really aren't the all consuming ogre's most people seem to imagine.
However, in our world, if a club choses to go with "non-ticketed leaders", the decision making process must be transparent & good, with a clear process for approval. Not just "I know he was a good paddler, he's ok". That is what the NGB awards offer us. There will always be "good", "bad", "average", "brilliant" & "how on earth did they achieve that qualification" coaches, the committees job is to make that decision you stated (pairing up), not use them, whatever..
The second question that would be asked is what are the committees experience/qualifications to make the initial decision, correctly. That is why I mentioned support from RCO's/LCO's.
It does seem like "covering your back", I agree that is sad, but living up to "best practice", the treadmill that we are now on just encourages that.... "well....., yes....., I know I wasn't following best practice..... but I thought....". Also, I'm not in a club & hold no awards, but as a teacher, if the school trip coach turned up without seatbelts, or too few seats, would I cancel the trip - yes, without a second though.
A big show of appreciation though to all those who jump these hoops to help others get out - a truy selfless job!