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Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:24 am
by Bob Flanagan III
A club paddler is looking to progress and has about £400 to spend.

One member of the club has suggested that they invest in their own boat so they can fit it out to fit them correctly which will give the club paddler better control and stop them swimming so often which will give them the confidence to try new things.

Another member has suggested that they buy a drysuit to keep them warm when they are swimming. By being warmer, they are more willing to try things and develop their skills and are not so worried about swimming.

What would you suggest? - Discuss

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:40 am
by Ken
Assuming they have a dry cag and trousers (or similar winter paddling kit) already, I would go with the boat. After all, you can go out in the boat without a drysuit, but not in the drysuit without a boat! Plus Summers on the way, I don't tend to wear a drysuit much into April anyway, so you'll get more immediate use from the boat.

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:20 am
by Adrian Cooper
What sort of choice is there for club boats? Some of our members don't buy boats because the club boats suit their needs.

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:25 am
by Ieuan Belshaw
Boat. They need to go through the pain before having the luxery of getting a drysuit :p

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:43 am
by Pete K
My first boat cost me about £250 second hand and once kitted was my shiney plastic encourager. Almost immediatly I was out paddling as often as I could because I had easy access to my own well fitted boat. Confidence and skill soon increased. My most recent boat is a Jefe that cost me £100.
About the same time I managed to pick up a second hand drysuit on here for about £80 (Palm Stikine) and that meant I did not get very wet any more. As a result I pushed myself more knowing I'd still be relativly comfy and dry. The suit is not a dog either, I stood in my local canal in December coaching confident capsizing. After 20 mins I was still bone dry.

With a bit of patience and realistic budgeting this chap could have both the suit and the boat. You can always upgrade in the future depending on ability, choice and wallet.

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:47 pm
by steddyjames
Boat, no question.

It's now March so a drysuit is going to be overkill in a few weeks anyway until next winter.....at which point they could have saved enough for one.

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:21 pm
by LucyLou19
Why not second hand drysuit (or a cag) and a second hand boat? No reason why you cant do both...

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:23 pm
by Jim
Hmm, in Scotland March or April can produce the coldest weather of the year..

Shop smart and get both :-)

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:28 pm
by Ant-t
I'd say boat, the paddler's skills should improve quicker with their own boat and so less swimming, besides its getting warmer (slowly) out there!

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:00 pm
by StoneWeasel
I sometimes ask myself whether I should be spending my money on a boat or a drysuit, I have now been paddling around 17 years, have an excessive collection of boats and have still not got myself a drysuit. I know which I would go for in his position!

Denzil

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:23 pm
by BaldockBabe
I think it depends on the club. Our club, thanks to a Lottery grant, has a fairly good stock of new boats of all sizes for members to use. We also have cags but not drycags. I would suggest to any of our members to go for warmth unless they didn't like the club boats...

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:50 pm
by DaveBland
Boat. 100%. Pad it out so you fit like a glove and you'll get used to it and paddling confidence will improve no end. Learn to Roll it 100% asap too.
Drysuits are a luxury item. I could go all 'Hovis' on you and tell tales of shorts and woolly socks with an old pac-a-mac type thing to keep the splashes of whist getting pounded in the local weir's stopper...

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:14 pm
by Bod
StoneWeasel wrote:I sometimes ask myself whether I should be spending my money on a boat or a drysuit, I have now been paddling around 17 years, have an excessive collection of boats and have still not got myself a drysuit. I know which I would go for in his position!

Denzil
Last time I had £400 to spend, I bought a boat off Denzil!! You don't NEED a drysuit. Yes, after 25 years of active paddling I have finally bought one this season as Rich at Performance Kayaks had some good deals, but I didn't need it. Mind you after 4 weeks of ownership I won't be going back until it gets warm.

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:16 pm
by Bod
DaveBland wrote:Boat. 100%. Pad it out so you fit like a glove and you'll get used to it and paddling confidence will improve no end. Learn to Roll it 100% asap too.
Drysuits are a luxury item. I could go all 'Hovis' on you and tell tales of shorts and woolly socks with an old pac-a-mac type thing to keep the splashes of whist getting pounded in the local weir's stopper...
We used to make paddle mitts out of bread bags. That's real Hovis but I know what you mean...

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:40 pm
by HarryWats0n
Drysuit! The person will inevitably go through a few boat changes. A drysuit is a drysuit, you cant go wrong with one.

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:44 pm
by TechnoEngineer
Drysuit, some blocks of foam, pair of scissors, and a roll of decent waterproof gaffer tape.

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:38 pm
by Jon Wood
Does the paddler in question own, or have access to, some decent paddles?

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:53 pm
by grahamt1980
I'm at the start of my paddling too, the way I worked it out was to get BA, Drysuit and Boots first, then a paddle.
Reasoning being I don't know what boat I want so while I am demoing boats atleast I am warm comfy and using stuff I am happy with

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:27 pm
by Alec Ferris
Boat. I used a dry suit in Scotland- I usually wear my cag and dry trousers and I can't say it made any real difference. Getting my own boat, I feel, really helped my paddling as it raised my confidence a lot.

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:32 am
by Summit to Sea
Go to a Casino, stick the £400 on black (Shaft says "always bet on black"), repeat the process until £400 is £1,600 (just the two best, you don't want to get greedy, gambling isn't easy), come and see me with the £1,600 and I'll sort you out with a boat, a Surface immersion suit and lots of other goodies.



Disclaimer: Shaft is a fictional character and the value of your £400 may disappear on the first spin of the wheel.

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:49 am
by Janson
Drysuit.... DAMX or Rubberman one - will last longer than a boat

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:07 am
by biketastik
I got kit first but i got a decent cag and trousers because i wanted a proper paddle and it was cheaper than a drysuit. Kit first then a boat but not a drysuit until you know for deffinate its going to be a long term thing and not just a brief thing. Boat if your paddling is at a stage where the club boats no longer suffice. Depends if he's got kit allready really doesn't it.

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:03 pm
by slowstroke
Second the DAMX... but really depends how often you want or able to paddle... once a week, go for the suit, if your able to get out more... then the boat

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:13 pm
by kayakrambo
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Sam E

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:19 pm
by Sickboy
For me it would depend on how good the club boats are, if its the boat holding someone back from progressing then go with the plastic, but a decent set of blades first, that's for sure.

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:29 pm
by biketastik
Agreed, blades before boat or kit. But if your club boats are decent then go with the kit otherwise compromise and go with a cag and a second hand boat etc.

Re: Buying a dry suit or a boat

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:35 pm
by Alec Ferris
Sickboy wrote:For me it would depend on how good the club boats are, if its the boat holding someone back from progressing then go with the plastic, but a decent set of blades first, that's for sure.
Or you could see about a package deal. You'll to get a deck with the boat as well.