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Mark,
This is the movie you really want to see if you want to appreciate this run.
http://ww-video.ru/mediadetails.php?key ... 2a32019882

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Burly????
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bur·ly (bûrl)
adj. bur·li·er, bur·li·est
Heavy, strong, and muscular; husky. See Synonyms at muscular.

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[Middle English burlich, from Old English *borlic, excellent; see bher-1 in Indo-European roots.]

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burli·ly adv.
burli·ness n.
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Sorry for being so bogus about it... i didn't realize this had turned into a candian free ski forum... ;-)
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Chill, dude.
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I saw the Olaf Obsommer's film show of this at Allenburys Herts. Olaf explained how they found 3 bodies on 3 different occasions from the Russian rafting fraternity on that river. Can you imagine going out for a day paddling and finding someone floating in the water, gee. If I remember Olaf said something like 30 people a year die on that river from rafting. The Russians refuse to wear modern BA's or can't afford to buy them, instead they have like an air bag on their backs, which when they are unconscious in the water makes sure there head is held under water.

I wish I had bought the DVD now that he was selling.

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Mark R wrote:bur·ly (bûrl)
adj. bur·li·er, bur·li·est
Heavy, strong, and muscular; husky. See Synonyms at muscular.

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[Middle English burlich, from Old English *borlic, excellent; see bher-1 in Indo-European roots.]

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burli·ness n.
So a certain popular play spot in spate conditions would become


Hurley burly!

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Seedy Paddler wrote:
Hurley burly!
Where's that Sweden?

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ion wrote:Mark,
This is the movie you really want to see if you want to appreciate this run.
http://ww-video.ru/mediadetails.php?key ... 2a32019882

-Ian

One of the more involving/affecting things I've seen whether water related or not. And this is the spirit the Axis forces believed they could overcome when they headed East in WW2? Big mistake...

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When we were there in 2007, a Russian group went down the Bashkaus and one them died walking out!

It is a totally different attitude out there. Cliche, but it is considered a 'glorious way to die'.

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scottdog007 wrote: Can you imagine going out for a day paddling and finding someone floating in the water, gee.
In India, we got on right in front of a burning funeral pyre, the black bits followed us down the river. A memeber of the group found a skull too... Hmmm

Amazing movie that.

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ion wrote:Mark,
This is the movie you really want to see if you want to appreciate this run.
http://ww-video.ru/mediadetails.php?key ... 2a32019882

-Ian
Thanks Ian, great film !

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I never get bored of watching "A Glorious Way to Die" - it's amazing

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ion wrote:Mark,
This is the movie you really want to see if you want to appreciate this run.
http://ww-video.ru/mediadetails.php?key ... 2a32019882

-Ian
Quite frankly, that was terrifying.

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The Drowned Fish wrote:
ion wrote:Mark,
This is the movie you really want to see if you want to appreciate this run.
http://ww-video.ru/mediadetails.php?key ... 2a32019882

-Ian
Quite frankly, that was terrifying.
Seconded!
The rapid where he broke his leg was something of a heart in mouth moment thats for sure...
Crazy.

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ol wrote:
The Drowned Fish wrote:
ion wrote:Mark,
This is the movie you really want to see if you want to appreciate this run.
http://ww-video.ru/mediadetails.php?key ... 2a32019882

-Ian
Quite frankly, that was terrifying.
Seconded!
The rapid where he broke his leg was something of a heart in mouth moment thats for sure...
Crazy.
Ol- do you remember that DVD of Russian kayakers Californian Dan showed us in Downieville - that we scary as well.

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That russian film is mental, I was at the Olaf Show in ware too, and some of the footage from that is utterly unreal.

Question is has anyone taken a normal whitewater raft down there?
Those russian hand made ones look like death traps, esp the doughnut one

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A regular raft down some of those runs would be wrap-tastic

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Hats off to them, that Russian video is one of the best i've seen - not just the paddling but the entire group mechanic and the trip itself.
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Only a lunatic would strap themselves to a raft but only a Russian would strap themselves to a home made donut like raft down a grade 5/6 rapid.
However an inspiring group of people, massive respect!

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The Drowned Fish wrote: Ol- do you remember that DVD of Russian kayakers Californian Dan showed us in Downieville - that we scary as well.

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a.k.a BBQ Dan, house mate of Pyotr Malkin, who carried Kazak Serge, with a broken pelvis, out of South Branch Feather on his back this year...impressive, even more so because he himself was in hospital several weeks the preceding year with both ankles badly broken having pitoned ( on day 1 of Dinkey waterfalls and then crawled and paddled the second day to the takeout. Strangely enough also friend of Thomass Marnics whom is talking at the intro to the Olaf film. Hard crew the "Russians".

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So is any of this stuff available on DVD? Didn't manage to get to see Olaf's show at G17 but I presume he has videos available?
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The Drowned Fish wrote: Ol- do you remember that DVD of Russian kayakers Californian Dan showed us in Downieville - that we scary as well.
That has to be floating around online somewhere....

I love their DIY approach to things, obviously this comes from necessity. If there is one place that I would rather do without the Heath Robinson approach, its on a river. Scary!

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I remember Olaf saying that the Russian raft guys would not really show any interest in the kayaks or the equipment because they kind of thought canoeists were too poofy and not man enough, and were getting it easy.

If anyone knows where the film can be purschased, please tell.

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That is amazing. Loved the line:

"In the west the most extreme rapids are class 6; in Russia, the scale goes to class 10"

Very Spinal Tap.
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I got given a DVD by Vasili from the KayakUSSR guys. It was called 'Top Grade'. It was in Russian and with English subtitles. An excellent film. Not only does it have all the river in the Altai region, including the Bashkaus, but it has a great section of them going to the Pamirs in Tajikistan.

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Amazing kayaking/testosterone etc but I can't help but wonder about the Russian psyche? I think almost every year I go to Norway there are stories of Russian raft trips gone wrong.... sometimes when the local raft companies have pulled trips due to high water levels.
For sure, I recall the amazing footage of massive water that Caifornian Dan aka BBQ Dan showed us on DVD, and the hardcore nature of the trip but I also found some of the language somewhat disturbing - maybe it was an in joke but the sign off line of one of the guys, just before he gets on the water was 'lets go see if we can drown somebody'....

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scottdog007 wrote: Can you imagine going out for a day paddling and finding someone floating in the water
I found two dead bodies (well -- in the interests of the exact truth: two very meaty skeletons....) in the Kali Gandaki bobbing about in an eddy once. Ho hum....
scottdog007 wrote:The Russians refuse to wear modern BA's or can't afford to buy them, instead they have like an air bag on their backs, which when they are unconscious in the water makes sure there head is held under water.
I seem to remember playing about with BAs and lifejackets once and seeing if either actually did 'make' you float face up and as I recall only a fully inflated lifejacket actually had anything like that effect.
As I recall each BA I tried obviously made me float (!!) but it was random how I floated with a tendency towards the rather inconvenient face-down when I went all limp (oeerr missus).
Anyone else played around with these at all?
Massive respect to those guys in their crazy rafts. Its nice to see that many of life's problems can be cured by vodka as I've long suspected....
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Randy Fandango wrote:I seem to remember playing about with BAs and lifejackets once and seeing if either actually did 'make' you float face up and as I recall only a fully inflated lifejacket actually had anything like that effect.
As I recall each BA I tried obviously made me float (!!) but it was random how I floated with a tendency towards the rather inconvenient face-down when I went all limp (oeerr missus).
As I understand it, that is the important distinction that needs to be made between a 'life-jacket' and a bouyancy aid. A bouyancy aid is just that, an aid to bouyancy. It is not designed to float the wearer in any given way, but just to increase their flotation.
A dedicated lifejacket, should turn you face up if unconscious.

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