Alternative to air bags

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Alternative to air bags

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Hey folks,

What are the alternatives to airbags for use in club boats? Does anyone have any personal experience of using any other methods (such as foam)?

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I once stuffed my Dagger Approach with loads of foam so I could easily reenter-and-roll it. By the time I'd done that, it felt like weighed a ton; the foam altogether added another 2kg to the weight of the boat (the centre foam pillar alone is IRO 500g). Also, the texture of foam also has a large surface area, so a fair amount of water can get onto it.

So I'd suggest to use air bags whenever possible, the only alternative I can think of is drybags.
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If you want something robust for club boats try wine boxes tied in (top tip: drink the wine first).
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Ive not tried it or anything but I just thought you could use empty plastic bottles. Few 2 ltr ones might do the trick

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Beach balls. Anything inflatable and sealable.
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yeah any inflatable, lilos, beach balls, space hoppers etc,
wine box bags are good too if you happen to have them...
or if you have them, drybasgs work, just dont squeeze the air out when you do them up.

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thanks guys, maybe the inflatable toys line might be the cheapest option

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I am a beach ball kinda guy myself, Following a beach party I had a few left over, quite large, heavy duty and at a cost of about 50p each much better value than 'proper' airbags for exactly the same result.


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kayaking_matt wrote:maybe the inflatable toys line might be the cheapest option
And guess certain 'toys' could always provide a bit of company for those cold lonely nights on self-support trips.

PS: once saw an inflatable lady used as open-canadian bouyancy on the Liffey Descent - but she never learnt to keep her mouth shut on the weirs!
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Could try eating plenty of beans or a good curry first....

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According to Noel McNaught, author of The Canoeing Manual:

"Buoyancy is another question to which I have nothing to add except to say that hundreds of ping-pong balls contained in nets can be placed below decks to assist flotation in the event of capsizing."

That was a while back, though.

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Right behind Croft
Simply drink said wine out of wine box cheaper the better.
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Open cardboard box with hands not a sharp object take out the foil bag
blow into the pour spout whilst pressing the open vaulve inflate
job done
will last for ages
They also make good pillows if you are multi daying
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And if you leave a little bit of wine in each bag (just a tiny bit) when the air seeps out slowly they make your boat smell of wine instead of manky river water.

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Argos gym balls work really well and at only £5 there not badly priced

best thing i find with them is, as they are made out of rubber when inflated the rubber almosts sticks to the plastic and they dont move at all, great if you going to be swimming alot :)

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Hello

It all depends on what boats you are using.

But we do supply a range of solid foam blocks that do work very well.

Have a look at them here

http://www.upandunder.co.uk/eshop/catal ... ion_ID=149

They do not fit all boats and they are not that easy to fit as you do sometimes need to take the seat out to get them in, but they do work very well.

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found the inner from a rugby ball, followed by the inner from a football work quite well, the rugby ball alone will do for a lot of smaller boats, as they're rubber they have the same effect as the gym ball!, not perfect though.... also make a good cushion, but the wine boxes are admittedly more comfortable

i also used 2l plastic bottles for a while, they really don't work!, sure they keep the water in, but you swim on anything other than grade 1/2 you lose them all, plus you end up with SOOO much crap stuck inbetween them (especially when your clubmates decide to fill your boat with leaves....)

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Let me know how this goes please. Air bags are by far and away the best solution for me but when it comes to blowing through those manky tubes on the bags in club boats I need to heave. I've thought about using the foam they use in cheaper sea boats, fusions and other day tourers as an alternative. Make a cardboard template, cut the foam slightly oversized, push into position and seal the perimeter with a waterproof adhesive / mastic. For club boats used regularly by new starters / paddlers you could consider attaching a strap or a net to the foam to retain cag or old shoes etc.

Anybody tried this yet!

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