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Practise Practise Practise

Post by Tom_Laws » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:46 pm

Off the back of that thread about LL reloaders...

When was the last time you practised throwing your rope? When was the last time you practised recoiling it?

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Post by MattBibbings » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:48 pm

Sunday.

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Post by a boy named sue » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:17 pm

Hello, actually my next event in March is the olympic throw bag championships. I have a few ideas of my own but a few more would be good, so if you have any ideas lets hear them please?

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Post by Liam Kirkham » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:22 pm

Yesterday.

On average every time I go paddling I normally have a few goes in the car park.

Recoiling a couple weeks ago.

Recoiling on average, very rarely.

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Post by justin-g » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:23 pm

We should run a video recoiling competition - video yourself recoiling a 20 m throwbag and stick on you tube... fastest time wins the mutual respect of his/her peers! Sort of like the omlette comp on Saturday kitchen.
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Post by Simon Westgarth » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:24 pm

Liam Kirkham wrote:Yesterday.

On average every time I go paddling I normally have a few goes in the car park.

Recoiling a couple weeks ago.

Recoiling on average, very rarely.
Clearly you have come a long since your AWWS&R course......

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Post by Gromit :D » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:34 pm

hhmmmm I cant remember... which isnt a good thing.

Im going to go throw!
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Post by Liam Kirkham » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:42 pm

Simon Westgarth wrote:
Liam Kirkham wrote:Yesterday.

On average every time I go paddling I normally have a few goes in the car park.

Recoiling a couple weeks ago.

Recoiling on average, very rarely.
Clearly you have come a long since your AWWS&R course......
My throwing was ok.

My fitness let me down on the throwline assult course.

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Post by Cymru Richie » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:51 pm

For me, a fair bit recently but that is due to doing a WWSR course before xmas and my FSRT last weekend. (Brrrrrr, it was cold)
Also did some practice in the pool a few weeks ago giving some new members ago.
As title says, practise practise practise is certainly a good point & idea.

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Post by Rdscott » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:57 pm

I throw a a line at least once when im out, possibly every three or four times for a recoil. I know i should practice this more.

I have never missed with a line untill i dislocated my shoulder and now im having to learn to throw again, my accuracy is 50% and distance i'm struggling to throw a 20meter line which was a doddle before.

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Post by Ross W » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:26 pm

Liam Kirkham wrote:
Simon Westgarth wrote:
Liam Kirkham wrote:Yesterday.

On average every time I go paddling I normally have a few goes in the car park.

Recoiling a couple weeks ago.

Recoiling on average, very rarely.
Clearly you have come a long since your AWWS&R course......
My throwing was ok.

My fitness let me down on the throwline assult course.
Other people moving the object let me down, *cough liam*

Most times boating I tend to throw it now, Thankfuly - I'm no longer hitting the tree's!
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Post by buck197 » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:39 pm

I think Tom's point is very valid in that we as a community probably don't practise our WWSR skills as often as we should and they may let us down when we need to rescue a mate/fellow boater/complete stranger.

I thoroughly recommend the AWWSR course or if you have not done any training then the WWSR.
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Post by Cymru Richie » Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:21 pm

Just done my WWSR course with Mat Blue from Llandysul.
Highly recomended.

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Post by SwamP » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:09 pm

Sunday

Was a second late...doh!

Good to practice on live bait :o)
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Post by andy g » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:20 pm

Saturday
Just above the Strid on the River Lune.
It was the first time that I have used a throw line in anger and was delighted to hit the swimmer first time and give him some support while other closer recuers worked out how to recover him and his boat. His paddles did a clean descent of the rest of the rapid.
I get plenty of practice repacking as I do it every time I bring it back soaking wet and dry it out on the clothes line.
Good point about doing it more frequently though so we can rely on skill and not luck
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Post by Mission » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:59 pm

andy g wrote: I get plenty of practice repacking as I do it every time I bring it back soaking wet and dry it out on the clothes line.
Was just thinking that, does everyone else not end up repacking their bag every time they go on a paddling trip? mine gets unpacked to dry every time i finish a trip.

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Post by whitey123 » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:16 pm

Same with me, mine never gets left in the bag when im not on a river, i should practise alot more thogh lol

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Post by Diamond Dave » Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:22 pm

Most times after I've been boating.
If i'm not going to be boating for the next couple of days I wash & dry it anyway, so it needs to be uncoiled. Why not have a bagging session while you do it?
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Post by Dave McCraw » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:00 pm

I'll hold my hand up to being one of those who doesn't practice.

It's funny because people always batter uni trips for being unsafe, yet when I was at uni my line and water rescue skills were excellent (if I say so myself, anyway) because they saw use most weekends. I also had a heftier-than-normal first aid qualification (and took an interest in it).

Now the last time I remember throwing a line was in 2008, and I can just about handle a simple wound with duct tape and pad. Depressing or what! However, I do dry and repack the bag after every trip, so at least I'm not a total loss.

I suppose I should consider it the silver lining that my actual paddling skills have deteriorated as well, so everything is still in proportion ;-)

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Post by Rdscott » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:04 pm

Dave dont want to put ruin that deteriation thought but surley, if your paddling deteriates surley your recue skills shoud increase.

Im gona get practasing as im sure my paddling has decreased alot.

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Post by Dave McCraw » Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:09 pm

Well, now most of the time I'm paddling a rapid that I wouldn't be afraid to swim down. So, although obviously you can (and people do) die even on flat water, I don't worry so much about technical rescue skills. Bad, I know, but such is life. If I was getting out every weekend on grade 5, I would probably want a refresher.

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Post by Tom_Laws » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:29 pm

Wish I hadn't posted this thread. Lowri just threw a bag across the front room. "Practise" my arse.

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Post by Kayak-Bloke » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:41 am

Revived this thread due to incident last Friday.

My mate was doing involuntary rodeo, in a hole, another mate was unsuccessful in extracting him using the bow.
So I step up to the plate. Grab my throw bag, pick my spot and launch it for all I'm worth....

To my dismay (but not complete suprise) it rose into the air at about 85 degrees, completely bailed all 18 metres and landed approx 10 feet in front of me :-(
My buddy had to bang out and swam. I coiled the rope, filled the bag with water and got him with the second throw.

He was never in any real danger (it wasn't very deep) but it has made me think...
Hmmmm what's the title of this thread!!??

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Post by Dave McCraw » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:29 pm

Personally, I found if you throw the bag like a dart there's much less chance of wild failure than the underarm option. I don't know why, and it might not apply to anyone else.

Probably I could throw a bag further underarm, or like a cricket ball, but how far are you actually throwing in the UK, really? Probably 5-10m is quite common, 25 not so much.

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Post by Rdscott » Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:42 pm

I tend to use a over arm throw when throwing a throw line i find it more accurate faster and more direct.

I do however practice many differen t throws you knever know when your going to be in an awkward position or throwing through a small gap in trees or something similar.

Its not only important to practive throwing a line a lin but having many different ways of throwing it, i feel a re throw is the last thing i practice as the lightly hood of me using it slim, if i have missed my first throw by the time i real in the swimer is usualy gone. i do also carry 2 lines with me, a 15m and a 20m in most uk situations if i have missed i find myself grabing a second line rather than re throwing my first.

Not that i have missed my first throw. as i've been practicing them.

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Post by Adrian Cooper » Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:42 pm

I definitely agree that the method of throwing is down to personal choice. I suspect that people proficient in particular sports would develop a degree of accuracy and distance which other people would not. For Joe Average, I suspect that an under-arm or bowler type over-arm throw would be most accurate. If you play rugby, cricket or even american football you might well have a wider range of practiced techniques available to you.

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Post by TheKrikkitWars » Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:36 pm

Underarm is important if you're protecting slalom courses or rivers with lots of low hanging trees.

Personally I prefer sidearm, but given my epic lack of practice (Shamefully, I'm better and more practiced at live baiting than bagging people), I'd probably use the underarm throw now just to be sure.
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