What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

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What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

Post by banzer » Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:30 am

I love these threads. Be as specific as you like. I cannot 'demo demo demo' as as far as I can tell, Melbourne has only one kayak shop that just sells new LL Cross River boats (which I prob can't afford as have no job!).

1. Main Use- Surf
2. Secondary use- River Running- including hopefully a three-dayer on the Snowy
3. Occasional Creeking, if there's any water. Everyone uses playboats on creeks here, I suspect the 'creeks' aren't as hard as my favourite Scottish ones like the Garry.
4. A possible trip to New Zealand- learning to cartwhel in Kaituna Hole, keeping me alive on Huka Falls
5. I am 6'1, have size 11 feet and always whinge that playboats are too tight around the feet. Use an AllStar in UK but still whinge after a while.

I have been offered the use of a Space Cadet, will I fit, and will this do? Would I be better stumping up for a CR? Or shop around for a big RAD?

Thanks all. Rich.
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Re: What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

Post by Simon Westgarth » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:02 am

Either the big RAD or the largest Jackson Fun you're happy with. The Fun is quite quick for a short boat especially on river, it has enough volume to be ok in the chop, and you'll get some pop in the surf. Plus you'll find a version one for cheap these days.

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Re: What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

Post by Wilf » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:34 am

Ocean surf? Playboat? Why?

If you want to ocean surf mostly, get a longer boat. Something like the Pyranha I3 223 or Dagger Super Ego might suit your needs better if you want to ocean surf. Cheap too. :-)
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Re: What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

Post by SwamP » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:45 am

Ocean surf, playboating, creeking & Huka.....give up dude.

I'd say my P62 because it would be fine on Huka (maybe) but Ocean surf just aint gonna happen mate, not in something that will creek too....straight line surfing will get you a punch in the mouth from a boardie convict!

If you like pissing off the 'better a convict than a victim' race then my P62 is awesome and easy to throw around...but will punish you if you use grunt over technique.
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Re: What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

Post by Adrian Shanahan » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:50 am

Rich,

I'm going to throw my money on a Riot Nitro,

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Apart form the fact my boating history is littered with Riot and I have a soft spot for them the Nitro really is a cracking boat, I'm not sure it was particularly popular in the UK but its the bigger brother of the awesome Turbo. It one of those boats that really can do it all. For a while it was my only boat and I used it for everything and it was never really found wanting. Granted its never going to be a creak boat but it can hold its on on bigger volume stuff.

I see you are also looking at the big RAD, what can I say apart from the fact the 195 is massive, it paddles well enough but for multi discipline use it doesn't compare to the Nitro.

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Re: What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

Post by davebrads » Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:18 am

For surf you're going to need a long boat, with hard rails and a low-volume stern. The I3 fits the bill better than any other non surf-specific boat I can thing of. It is also well behaved on rivers, so long as you learn to handle those edges. However, I am a self-confessed lover of the I3, and if you search through my posts you will find them littered with recommendations for the boat.

Otherwise, you are looking at old playboats from when hard rails were all the rage, and they hadn't got too short to be used for anything else but playboating. Examples I can think of are the Riot Glide and the Necky Witch/Switch. For something a bit longer and more forgiving you could try the Necky Jive, but the rails are a bit soft for surfing.

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Post by shanclan » Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:35 am

Someone mentioned RAD185. I have a RAD185 which I occasionally surf - it will do it, but it's damned hard work and a bit slow on the wave.

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Re: What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

Post by Niall Milner » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:02 pm

D - I - S - C - O!
(with Fins in the fin boxes for surf).

Perfect for everything else.

A true Jack of All Trades boat.

Only thing is finding one that fits. I remember the day mine and a couple others for other club members arrived brand new from Riot via Highland Canoes. Mine fitted me fine but climbing in one of the others there wasn't the same vertical foot room between the top and bottom of the boat making the other one seem slightly smaller and quite uncomfortable. Wierd!

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Re: What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

Post by banzer » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:26 am

Thanks all. Sadly limited by funds and boat availability issues out here :-( I'd be better off shopping in New Zealand. Off to have a look at the Space Cadet, even if it means a lot of getting dumped on my face. But I'll keep a look out at those other options for sure.

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Re: What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

Post by justin-g » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:41 am

No way on earth you will fit in a space cadet. Fact.

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Re: What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

Post by SwamP » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:04 am

Just to add to Justin's list:

Dumped on your face in surf?
Huka?

None of these two will happen..fact.
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Re: What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

Post by davebrads » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:35 am

The Bliss-Stick Freestyler should fit the bill quite well.

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Re: What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

Post by morsey » Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:32 am

You wanna head up north and check out those Random new surf boats.

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Re: What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

Post by justin-g » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:12 am

What about...

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God that looks so comfy - look at that foot room.
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Re: What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

Post by newkid » Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:42 pm

I'd say if you are looking for a cheap second hand boat that will surf and run rivers you'd be better going for something older e.g.

Inazone (230 or 240) or I3/4
Trickster/Prankster/Booster
X or Z

etc

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Re: What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

Post by Grumpy old man » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:16 pm

Hi Banzer
I'm 6' size 12 feet and I'm very comfy (with a 2"foam footrest) in the Space Cadet. As a river/playboat with a little bit of Grade 4+ creeking it would do the job, but as a surf boat? Very slow, OK in the soup but it's faster sideways on a wave than it is trying to carve or front surf. I dont think you will be teasing the break!

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Re: What playboat for surf and rivers- on a budget?!

Post by Roy Batty » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:50 pm

If you can find one a Riot booster 55 would suit all your needs and you'd probably get one pretty cheap.

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