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Post by DanW » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:37 pm

Hi,

I'm planning a trip up to HPP Notingham, but have read about people getting mega upset stomachs. Is this true? If so, would it stop anyone paddling therre??

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Post by TheKrikkitWars » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:43 pm

Don't worry, it's not as bad as many other poluted spots, by comparison to certain others it's pretty mild.

If you're really worried, I'd advise anyone who hasn't paddled it before didn't paddle it in very high water, which is the only time that noticeable amounts of people are affected.
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Post by gonzo » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:54 pm

A few years ago there were serious issues with water quality, but recently the water agencies have spent a lot of money cleaning up the trent. A lot of small industries that used to work/pollute along the trent have also closed down.

I've paddled HPP since 1995 and haven't been ill since the early days.

I still however drink a lot of Pepsi after paddling to flush anything out of my system (Pepsi was designed as a stomach bug cure!)

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Post by DanW » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:02 pm

Awesome,cheers guys

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Post by bexception » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:00 am

Just recently a lot of our club have been victims of Trentitis from paddling HPP at the weekend. It has been high recently and some of us hadn't been for a while, but several paddlers with renowned stomachs of steel have been ill.

If you do go and you are concerned, try and drink some water to "flush it out" although I don't know that it really works, I stopped believing the coke theory too. The best advice I'd give is the night after the day after you go (so if you went Saturday, on Sunday night) keep a bucket next to your bed in case you can't make the bathroom in time!

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Post by GoldTopo » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:11 am

And if you get any cuts off the stinking slimy concrete make damn sure you clean them properly, or they take forever to heal.

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Post by Lou Clutton » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:23 am

bexception wrote:Just recently a lot of our club have been victims of Trentitis from paddling HPP at the weekend. It has been high recently and some of us hadn't been for a while, but several paddlers with renowned stomachs of steel have been ill.
Mwah ha haaaaaaaa...not me :-p!

Either you get ill or you don't! Granted it's not pleasant if you do get ill but chances are you'll be alreet. Just don't go this Saturday because we're taking our freshers before the NSR...bring on the carnage!!!

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Post by TheKrikkitWars » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:13 am

lou_brush wrote:we're taking our freshers before the NSR...bring on the carnage!!!
That seems eerily like the now commonly acceptable form of cheating in examinations, currently known as revision! ;)
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Post by Bod » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:17 am

Nobody has said it yet, so it is worth noting that the best precaution is to wash your hands before you eat or drink anything.

Personally I went there 3 times in the '80's. I 'nearly' died twice and we actually had someone in hospital for 3 days with suspected dysentry. I vowed never to return. However these comments are probably no more valid than Skoda jokes these days.
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Post by RichA » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:25 pm

I can't see the point in washing your hands when you consider the amount of water you swallow and that gets absorbed via membranes in your nose etc. However, I guess every little helps.

As it hasn't rained for ages, the water quality is likely to be rather good. It gets worse when it rains and the rain washes all sorts of rubbish in to the river.

The water is bloody cold at the moment though!

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Post by Strad » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:45 pm

I would back up the coke theory, it's horrible susbstance that is very effective at clearing stomache upsets (and re-hydrating you too when it's drunk flat). I've been told it from diverse sources too - from army training folk to a kidney specialist, stating that it was good to drink as it helped flush bad stuff out of your system (he also gave a reminder to clean your teeth afterwards which was missing from the army one :) )
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Post by kayaking dude » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:55 pm

Ahh getting ill from HPP it seems to happen to everyone sometime after paddling at HPP, The theory of drinking Coke is all rubbish I tried it loads of times and I still got ill so maybe it doesn’t work for me but after getting ill quite a lot about 2 years ago from paddling at HPP I went to my Docs and that’s when he told me the Coke theory was rubbish and the best thing to have a live yogurt after you go paddling it works, But I also found that having one everyday and also one after you go paddling works. After doing this for coming up to 2 years now it really works, I used to paddle about twice a week at hpp but now its about 5 times a week in all different water levels and at all different times of the year. My best advice is to just go and have a good time paddling and not worry about getting ill or hurt because otherwise you will never try anything new or different.

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Post by ChrisMac » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:59 pm

I cant remember the last time I got ill from the Trent. Keeping your mouth shut is the best way.

Personally I often get ill from hurley but thats probably because I dont go there very often and I guess its the same at HPP for the more infrequent visitor.

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Post by Phil86 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:18 pm

Anybody going to be at HPP this weekend (either day) with a river runner/creek boat I could try quickly? Inparticular Dagger Mamba 8.0 or Liquid Logic Huck.
Wouldnt be long at all just 1 quick run down would do me so I can get a feel for the size of them!

(edited as Im daft and wrote the wrong boat name!)
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Post by Poke » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:08 pm

kayaking dude wrote:The theory of drinking Coke is all rubbish I tried it loads of times and I still got ill so maybe it doesn’t work for me but after getting ill quite a lot about 2 years ago from paddling at HPP I went to my Docs and that’s when he told me the Coke theory was rubbish and the best thing to have a live yogurt after you go paddling it works, But I also found that having one everyday and also one after you go paddling works. After doing this for coming up to 2 years now it really works, I used to paddle about twice a week at hpp but now its about 5 times a week in all different water levels and at all different times of the year.
I'd be tempted to say that this is building up a natural immunity to the bugs at HPP, rather than anything to do with eating/drinking the right things!

As an aside, is anyone going to be at HPP on sunday? I'm making the trek down to Nottingham this weekend (it's the girlfriends grandad's 80th on the Saturday, whoop whoop :-) and thought that it'd be rude not to make the most of HPP being practically next door.

I'm hoping to take my squirt boat, so if any squirters are going to be there, even better!
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Post by RichA » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:31 pm

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Post by Bob Flanagan III » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:08 pm

I personally won't paddle at HPP. When I first got back into the sport 3 years ago I went there twice and both times was violently ill.

When I say ill, I mean that I lost 2 stone in weight from these 2 episodes which took over a year to put back on.

I personally would only consider paddling at HPP again if someone told me I needed colonic irrigation as it certainly cleared me out. It is quite disturbing when something like lucozade comes out the other end 20 minutes later and is exactly the same colour. Drinking coke is also a myth, well it didn't work in my case.

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Post by iainporter » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:18 pm

I spent a day or so throwing up once after HPP, but I've learnt not to swallow the water since then, and wash my hands before I eat anything afterwards. I reckon there's something in the immunity idea too, I went once a week for most of last summer and never felt remotely dodgy, and I know a few people who are always there yet don't seem to spend all their spare time vomiting. As people often say in internetty circles - YMMV. (see here)

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Post by Diamond Dave » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:19 pm

Does anyone know the actual scientific theory behind the coke myth?(/hypothesis)
And is it just coke which 'works'?
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Post by Strad » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:45 pm

There's appears to be 2 arguments behind the coke theory..

1) It was developed as a hangover / upset stomache cure and supposedly contains appropriate minerals/salts/sugar balance to still take this role.
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2) It's acidic (everyone must have done the trick of leaving a tooth or a dirty coin in a glass of coke overnight) so the acid nukes any bacteria you've taken in from the dirty water.

Or a combination of the two? I think the bacteria one would imply that good bacteria in your stomach would also get nuked so maybe the prob-biotic yoghurt should come into play too.

All I can say is that I've tended to follow the drink coke side and and I've never had a dose of trent tummy after paddling the ditch

Best answer might be that I keep my mouth shut....
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Post by Grumpy Fisherman » Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:10 pm

Strad wrote:2) It's acidic (everyone must have done the trick of leaving a tooth or a dirty coin in a glass of coke overnight) so the acid nukes any bacteria you've taken in from the dirty water.

Or a combination of the two? I think the bacteria one would imply that good bacteria in your stomach would also get nuked so maybe the prob-biotic yoghurt should come into play too.
Like everyone else, I've also heard this about Coke, so I've just been and bought some and measured the pH (I work in a microbiology lab). The pH was around 2.37 (temperature was 7degrees, which means there will be a pH error of around 0.3). The normal pH range of the stomach is pH1-4, with the highest being soon after ingesting food (ref). This means that unless you eat very soon after getting off the water, the pH of your stomach is likely to be more acidic than the Coke, and hence any nasties you have swallowed will be dealt with by your stomach acid anyhow.

Washing your hands and face before eating after getting off the water is the best advice, along with not swallowing too much (use a nose plug).

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Post by TheKrikkitWars » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:51 pm

I'm unconvinced about the Coke Kills Germs theory, but the flat fizzy drinks help hangovers/dehydration bit rings true, what given all the sugar and solutes? I personally find IRN-BRU rather effective as a recovery drink, not as good as a made for propose one, but rather more palatable.
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Post by iainporter » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:59 am

TheKrikkitWars wrote:IRN-BRU
TheKrikkitWars wrote:palatable.
Nope. Lost me there ;-)

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Post by Tom_Laws » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:41 am

Is your Irn Bru Cold?

Irn Bru, coke, lots of the crap. It will all do nothing*.

I personally think that this is all to do with the so called "Hygiene hypothesis" extended not just for asthma and allergic reaction, but for all illnesses.

You can look it up on wikipedia if you are actually interested.

*Actually, eating lots of crap might actually help, but you had better do it young!

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Post by powereduppackman » Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:07 am

I agree, i spent years topping up my resistance at university living in abject poverty and have spent several years since keeping my hand in to avoid the hypothesis!

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Post by iainporter » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:04 pm

Children that are submerged in water in concrete ditches from an early age show less signs of illness after paddling man made courses. 100% fact. Possibly.

and on that note, guess where I'm off paddling this afternoon :D.

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Post by Robson » Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:46 pm

cockroach wrote:And if you get any cuts off the stinking slimy concrete make damn sure you clean them properly, or they take forever to heal.
...and leave a browny-red scar
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