Dr Robin wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:32 pm
I've been paddling a large Burn for years and love it, but my friends tell me that I'm behind the times. Should I move on to a more modern design?
I tried the Machno on my local river. The big advantage of the Machno is the enormous bow which seems to be able to rise over anything. In general you feel the benefit of the extra volume. It's also surprisingly easy to turn and manoeuvre around obstacles. My main issue was that it doesn't "grip" the water like the Burn: I felt like I was "slipping around". Also I didn't feel that I could boof as well.
Besides these fairly objective thoughts I was left with a personal feeling: the Machno isn't as much fun as the Burn. You can't surf waves, tear into an eddy or carve round an aggressive turn. You don't feel "engaged" with the water but instead float on top. The Machno also weighs a ton, I don't fancy carrying it into a river!
So what should I do? Is it worth considering the extra large Burn so I get the benefit of the Burn's responsiveness plus the extra volume?
I went from my old Raptor to a Machno for similar reasons, though I also have a few of the same problems (and have been considering switching to something smaller as a result).
First up, I'd say the massively increased rocker is the key difference to older designs, more so than the extra volume (though that obviously has an effect too), and for that reason I doubt just a bigger burn/more volume would bring you much. The rocker definitely makes the Machno ride up higher over holes etc, skip out from boots and slides, as well as making it more manoeuvrable when pivoting with a flat hull and so on. When first testing it, it definitely like a significant performance upgrade on the Raptor. Faster too.
However paddling it lots over the past two years, I've also started noticing the downsides more and more too - particularly that feeling of not gripping the water. Despite it being so forgiving, somehow sometimes this gives me the feeling that I can't always trust it to make the moves I want to when carving/engaging an edge is important. So forgiving it loses that performance characteristic maybe? And on occasion I've worried about whether I can make (micro)eddies in it rather than slipping past them if the nose doesn't grip and pull in, which is something I've never ever worried about before in any boat.
Re. being hard to boof, I find generally it's amazingly easy to boof - apart from situations where I want to come carving/arcing in on edge. In which case I don't always trust that the edge will hold/track/carve in as I want... Could obviously be me paddling badly, but not an issue I've had before. It's a hard feeling to describe. Just lacking the sensitivity to feel the edge? Maybe I'm just not heavy enough to get the edge deep enough in the water to engage it properly?
Don't get me wrong, most of the time it's great, just for me not completely 100% dialled, and these niggles creep in sometimes.
I also find it surfs pretty well, at least better than other creek boats like the Raptor or the original Nomad.
I tried a few other boats last summer thinking about replacements.
Waka Stout - super fun, amazingly agile on edge, but sooo slow
Waka Tuna2 - meh, definitely prefer the Machno
Waka Steeze - fun, different, fast, also nice on edge, but so big and bloody wide...
Didn't get around to trying either 9R, or 9R2, but probably are more edgy and 'high performance' so I guess would solve the issue.
I'm also interested in the Zet 5, Spade Blackjack (but probably a bit small) and Royal Flush (probably a bit big), and JK Nirvana (but crazy expensive due to Trump's trade war). Would love to try a Tuna 1 too, as I think size/volume wise it would probably fit me better than the either Stout or OG.
Mat @ Pyranha wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:40 am
When you (and others) mention about the Machno not gripping the water or tracking in a straight line, it sounds as though the stern rails may not be engaged in the water, and in combination with you finding it hard to boof, I wonder whether perhaps you're paddling too big a size for yourself... may I ask which size you tried, and what your height and weight is? For anyone in the correct weight range, moving the seat back often fixes any issues like this.
Interesting. Hopefully Robin doesn't mind me jumping in on his thread, but I'm in the medium and at 175cm and 70kg + whatever wet paddling kit I'm wearing I think it should be the right size? I tried raising the seat and adding the hooker thigh grips, both of which helped a bit but not as much as I hoped.
I haven't tried moving the seat though. Intuitively I felt like moving it back might help - but my head says that should raise the bow rails further out of the water which would presumably exacerbate the not gripping and carving and carving into tight eddies/turns? Will try it though!