Bouyancy Aid with Big Pocket

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Bouyancy Aid with Big Pocket

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I have decided that I need a Bouyancy Aid with a really big pocket. The one I have at the minute (Yak - Styx) can not hold all of my stuff. When, river running, I usually carry a krab & sling, a few choccie bars, a skull cap and my Optio 33 camera. It is the camera which takes up most of the space.

Can any one suggest a Bouyancy Aid which can carry all my stuff?

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I've got one of these, the pocket is massive on it.

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Post by Liquid Porn »

There is a good size pocket on the Palm Axis Extrem & a huge one on the Extrem 2. Come to think of it the majority of river running/creeking pfd's have good size pockets.

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GMO wrote:I have decided that I need a Bouyancy Aid with a really big pocket. The one I have at the minute (Yak - Styx) can not hold all of my stuff.
GMO, I also wore the Styx which I had bought especially for it's large pocket;
I recently upgraded to the new Robson AKC Protector, c £110 which has the biggest BA pocket I could find. It's much better/brighter/stronger than the Styx, and worth paying the extra for.

And the pocket IS really big.

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I use the Robson BA too- and the pocket is huge. I also think there's a bit more padding on the shoulders for boat-carrying than on the Palm BA's. Very comfy ba- reccommended.

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Yep another thumbs up for the AKC, comfortable, bright and adjustable. The pocket was the reason I went for it.... and its been great, everything but the kitchen sink will go in there.
Couple of slightly controversial and apparently surplus loops of webbing though, I still havent worked out what to do with the one top front!

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Waverley610 / Katy - the Robson BA looks really good. Where did you get yours?

Thanks.

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katy wrote:Couple of slightly controversial and apparently surplus loops of webbing though, I still havent worked out what to do with the one top front!
Some spraydecks have little hooks on the release handles so that you can "hitch" them up whilst walking, or (but not in your case) going to the "bathroom". Maybe it's so that you can clip the little hook on to it?...

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GMO wrote:It is the camera which takes up most of the space.
My BA does not score highly on the pocket front, but just about fits knife, sling, safety essentials. Certainly no room for the camera, but then that isn't an essential.

Regarding the camera...can anyone suggest an alternative way of carrying a waterproof camera to hand?

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tuck it up your drytop seal? Attach between your legs by throwline/drink/central pillar if you're happy removing your deck and replacing it in the eddy?
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waverley610 wrote:I recently upgraded to the new Robson AKC Protector, c £110 which has the biggest BA pocket I could find. Image
This Robsonn PFD is a copy of the legendary Palm Extrem bulid by the market leader c£ 120Image

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I got mine from the lovely WhiteWater boys
http://www.whitewaterthecanoecentre.co.uk/
They'll probably send it to you if you give them a bell.

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Post by sugar_coated_superman »

What about the nookie ranger. this has a whacking great pocket on the back for bladder or other stuff. it also has two large, deep pockest on the front. cost around £70
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But with subtle design changes to avoid being sued Simon?
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meatballs wrote:But with subtle design changes to avoid being sued Simon?
There is no design change, if you see the two togther there is so little difference it is clear that one is the copy of the other!!

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Different colour?
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katy wrote:Image Image
Now now Katy both caps have different intended uses, the first is one of the most widely used hats around, and the other a helmet shaped in the form of one of the most widely used hats around, unlike the PFDs above. Palm developed the Extrem II over 15 years, and Robson has clearly been to China with the Extrem II and asked someone to copy it!! This happen with a touring towbag designed again by Palm that another manufacturer who was visiting the same factory in the Fast East asked to be copied. This practise is common place in Fast East manufacturing, still its right cheeky in our very small specialist market.

Specialist garmet companies like Patagonia have started to get around these copyright issues by have different locations make parts of the germet, ship it back to their home nation and then its shipped again but this time to another manufacturer in China to be made up!!! A particular area where this is really important is fabric's that manufacturer has develop and do not want others to get access too. Naturally Patent on a few specific fabrics hold true in home markets, but its very difficult to get patents on fabrics in the first place.

The bottom line for this tread is that the Robson PFD appears to be a copy in appearance too the Palm Extrem II. Now I would recommend you went with the market leader if only for customer service, Palm recently recalled a number of PFD's because of a potential issue with a specific chest harness webbing being able to rip on the corner of the chest harness bucket and may be release under load.

I have been sponsored by Palm for many years and trust their product over any others.

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From my experience customer service would be the main reason not to buy palm/dagger.

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ChrisMac wrote:From my experience customer service would be the main reason not to buy palm/dagger.
Unless you are prepared to expand on your experience, that's a worthless post to make. No different from the 'dagger suck wavesport rock' nonsense thread that appeared the other day.
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Post by simplemedlyn »

The palm b.a is pritty good. Ihave had mine for over two years now and it is still going strong. I can fit a lot of kit in the front pocket of the extream river vest, and it all fits with some room left. They are a bit pricey i know but is worth it.

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Palm have always been nice to deal with in my experience.
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MarkR wrote:
ChrisMac wrote:From my experience customer service would be the main reason not to buy palm/dagger.
Unless you are prepared to expand on your experience, that's a worthless post to make. No different from the 'dagger suck wavesport rock' nonsense thread that appeared the other day.
Especially considering who the poster was.

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A 2nd for Palm's quite frankly awsome customer service.

My Harness frayed (largely due to age, though the foam is still good). Palm replaced it, for free. Then it needed to be recalled due to the harness fault / safety check and redone. All free and very quick.

A friend had the Neck, Wrist and Waist seals replaced on his cag several times, again free or minimal cost.

Cannot fault their attitude.

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adrian cooper wrote:Especially considering who the poster was.
Help me out, Adrian, does ChrisMac have some posting history I haven't been paying attention to?

Knowing nothing of any 'history', I was thinking of saying much the same as Mark did, but his post rendered it unnecessary.
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Palm Dagger's customer service is superb. Please give a specific example of shoddy service.

On the Robson jobbie, I compared my [palm] BA to the Robson one a few weeks. The Robson had all manner of odd things, closed loops and the quality simply wasn't there.

Poor show!

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Post by MattD »

I can fit a 20m throwline (amongst some other guff I keep in there) in the front pocket of my Astral V200. Also, the hidden Back Pouch may make you feel like a bit of a front-to-back marsupial but is big enough to stuff all sorts of treats, including a 2L water pouch which clips in place with runners for the pipe/mouth-piece, as intended by Msrs Curry et al at Astral.

I can only assume their river guide specific PFDs are yet roomier.

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meatballs wrote:Palm have always been nice to deal with in my experience.
Here here!

The zip broke on the pocket of my Palm BA and they replaced it free of charge. What more could you want? Excellent!

But they did put the zip on the opposite way round which was quite confusing for a few weeks ;-)

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Steve B wrote:Help me out, Adrian, does ChrisMac have some posting history I haven't been paying attention to?

I was mystified too, I have no idea who the fellow is.
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Post by MattD »

If memory serves this was over a Kingpin that oilcanned badly on the first day of use at HPP - ChrisMac was basically told to "get over it" and was offered no further advice or recourse. This event was one of the things that put me off getting a Crazy88.
I'm sure Adrian was referring to the fact that ChrisMac is currently paddling a DragoRossi ;-)

On another note; my Palm Freestyle BA lasted a good 4 years before it was retired. It was a squashed-frog version of its former self by this point, but I never had any problem with it. It's nice to have a piece of kit that (if cared for) doesn't need recalling or repairing at any point during its useful life IMO - that's "what more" I could want. 15 years seems plenty enough time to iron out issues like safety harnesses and zips. Again, IMO!

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