Small car and travelling with a kayak help.

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Small car and travelling with a kayak help.

Post by StakeBait » Thu May 24, 2018 10:06 pm

Hi all.

So I'm needing a new car and I have a nice looking, and affordable, Toyota Aygo lined up. I 'm a little insecure about the engine size (1L) not being strong enough for gallabanting up and down motorways with a kayak on top.

Has anyone got any experience, positive or negative, that they can recall for when using a small car for travelling around the country?

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Post by Mrstratos61 » Fri May 25, 2018 12:33 am

Just check manufacturers max weight for roof. My Mazda 2 isn't a huge car 1.25 engine and fine with a 14.5 foot kayak.

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Post by Mini2 » Fri May 25, 2018 7:31 am

Something I never thought about, Saturday I had 3 kayaks and 5 people in my basic 8valve 1.4 c3 was struggling a bit , one was a sit on top fishing kayak they are quit heavy, something to keep in mind, thanks

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Post by MaverickvRS » Fri May 25, 2018 12:39 pm

Orientation matters too (see what fits. I put mine upside down and stern first as it cuts down wind resistance and makes it possible to open the boot most of the way). Get a cockpit cover (if its a closed cockpit) that really helps with streamlining. Kayaks are fairly streamlined anyway so you should be fine.

I have a Fabia now, but used to carry boats on my 1.2 punto (mk2 so similar size to aygo now!)

Every little helps though, so even down to the bars themselves, wingbars over squarebars if available!

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Post by gp.girl » Fri May 25, 2018 5:53 pm

Mini2 wrote:
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Something I never thought about, Saturday I had 3 kayaks and 5 people in my basic 8valve 1.4 c3 was struggling a bit , one was a sit on top fishing kayak they are quit heavy, something to keep in mind, thanks

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Put 4 boats, people and kit in/on a smart 4four. It struggled a bit :) The classic mini does fine with 1 kayak on the roof but OH won't let me try the canoe....
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Post by chicklechives » Fri May 25, 2018 6:10 pm

4 boats on a 1l 1984 polo. Needed 3rd gear to get across A66 but it was the finest of paddle wagons. Probably >20k miles of boating driving.

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Post by Lewperren » Fri May 25, 2018 8:52 pm

Fiat Panda, ideal paddle wagon. Five door, decent boot for size. Fiat do a fitted roof rack (across car roof rather than bars down length of car) as an extra, ideal. I have carried 4 boats and 4 people with kit, tight but possible. Only issue is some boats hit roof if facing downwards. Other bonus is you are last choice as paddle wagon so often get a lift from mates :-)

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Re: Small car and travelling with a kayak help.

Post by DaveBland » Sat May 26, 2018 4:38 am

StakeBait wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 10:06 pm
Hi all.

So I'm needing a new car and I have a nice looking, and affordable, Toyota Aygo lined up. I 'm a little insecure about the engine size (1L) not being strong enough for gallabanting up and down motorways with a kayak on top.

Has anyone got any experience, positive or negative, that they can recall for when using a small car for travelling around the country?

Time for slow shaking of the head and grumbling in a "back in my day" tone...
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Post by Psamathe » Sat May 26, 2018 10:32 am

I take my 16' composite kayak on the roof drven by a 1.2L engine and I don't really notice a performance impact (not high performance anyway, but I don't notice any deterioration).

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Post by ian000 » Sat May 26, 2018 6:44 pm

Hi, I did two winters in an old fashioned mini and took two kayaks and a Canadian around fairly happily.

Didn’t really get above 60 though but the power was fine if you wanted it.

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Post by StakeBait » Sun May 27, 2018 6:12 pm

chicklechives wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 6:10 pm
4 boats on a 1l 1984 polo. Needed 3rd gear to get across A66 but it was the finest of paddle wagons. Probably >20k miles of boating driving.
That's bats#@!

I don't think I can do it. The Aygo would run cheap, which is why I was interested. I think though I'll just have to pay for something a little bigger.

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Post by gp.girl » Sun May 27, 2018 6:22 pm

Seen a 14 foot tourer on top of a smart 4two, it was tied down at both ends and had high vis too so only slightly nuts ;)
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Post by Chris Bolton » Sun May 27, 2018 6:36 pm

Lots of experience and photos here. You don't say what kind of boat(s) you want to carry, short whitewater boats are OK on a short roof while canoes and sea kayaks are more problematic. I would be more concerned about the size and slope of the roof than the engine size. My Focus estate is a bigger car but only has a 1L engine and carried 4 people, 3 nights camping gear and two 16ft open canoes no problem. If you can get a roof rack that fits the Aygo and supports the boat, go for it.

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Post by Franky » Mon May 28, 2018 1:44 pm

Many (most?) modern cars are turbocharged however small the engine, so comparing a 1l car from 10 years ago with a new 1l car isn't necessarily comparing like with like.

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Post by Mike79 » Mon May 28, 2018 11:11 pm

I know someone who routinely puts 2 open boats on top of a Yaris and drives four or five hours each way. It's not what I'd chose but she gets to where she's going and looks pretty bad ass doing it.

It's a good point that the most modern small engines have a lot more grunt than slightly older engines of the same volume. Even so personally I'd prefer a 1.6 at least, but if you want to paddle then you do what you need to with what you've got.

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Post by DaveBland » Mon May 28, 2018 11:41 pm

Anything'll get you there. Ultimately it may add 30 mins to your journey if it's a bit underpowered.
But look at what you use the car for daily and by for that use, and you'll be fine.

I remember four strapping lads and four boats heading to N Wales from London in a fiat 500. Not the modern one, the old air-cooled one with a sewing machine engine.

I spent years driving round the UK in a 1969 Beetle with a bunch of boats. Even recently, my buddy here in Canada used to take his car, a Yaris, as it was better on fuel than the rest of the group's trucks. We regularly had 4 boats and paddlers and an electric bike on the back for shuttles. And we're talking 4 hour journeys around the Rockies.
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Post by chicklechives » Mon May 28, 2018 11:54 pm

To be fair it only had 4 gears.
Think engines have moved on a bit since then, the cars you're considering probably have servo assisted brakes and a passenger side mirror
StakeBait wrote:
Sun May 27, 2018 6:12 pm
chicklechives wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 6:10 pm
4 boats on a 1l 1984 polo. Needed 3rd gear to get across A66 but it was the finest of paddle wagons. Probably >20k miles of boating driving.
That's bats#@!

I don't think I can do it. The Aygo would run cheap, which is why I was interested. I think though I'll just have to pay for something a little bigger.

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Post by cathalferris » Tue May 29, 2018 10:52 pm

A mate of mine used drive around Dublin in an 850cc Mini in the late 90s and early 00's, with a K1 race boat on the roof. At least twice the length of the car, scared a few bus drivers who were left wondering where that fluorescent tag came from..

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Post by davebrads » Wed May 30, 2018 8:56 am

I used to have a 1.3 Metro which I used to carry up to 4 kayaks plus people and kit, or 3 people + camping gear, boats and kit. Good use of gears would get me anywhere just as quick as anybody else, the main issue was stopping - the brakes definitely weren't made to stop that kind of weight. Oh, and the suspension which eventually gave way at the back.
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Re: Small car and travelling with a kayak help.

Post by Chris Bolton » Wed May 30, 2018 11:30 am

A mate of mine used drive around Dublin in an 850cc Mini in the late 90s and early 00's, with a K1 race boat on the roof.
On the topic of carrying K boats - a mate of mine's dad used to carry a K1 on a motorbike sidecar, and had to get off at T junctions and walk to the front to check for traffic.
Also Nigel Foster was hitching in Spain with a K2 and got a lift from a 2CV.

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