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next step in when to go boating?

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:44 pm
by caveman_si
So first we had river levels on the internet, now we have forecasts on the internet. Only in beta currently and hand full of sites - a few listed below but there is a few more. It is beta so No guarantee of anything staying up or working but its likely at some point in the future the whole of the environment agencies flood forecasts will be available with the same standards of service as river levels.


River Greta at Greta bridge https://flood-warning-information.servi ... ation/5060
River Cocker at South Street Footbridge https://flood-warning-information.servi ... ation/5128
River Derwent at Kingfisher, Cockermouth https://flood-warning-information.servi ... ation/5181
River Calder at Hebden Bridge https://flood-warning-information.servi ... ation/8097
River Irwell at Irwell Vale https://flood-warning-information.servi ... ation/8097

Re: next step in when to go boating?

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:36 am
by John K
Aggregating forecast data with current levels has got to be the way forward, and should keep writers of algorithms entertained for a while.

As well as the links above, the graph on "Is The Dart Running" offers a handy attempt at prediction too:

http://isthedartrunning.co.uk/graph.html

The gauge seems to be out of action today though, as it's not on River App either at the moment...

Re: next step in when to go boating?

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:32 pm
by buck197
So I have a kind of theory that when a weather site predicts 25mm we get vastly less, more like 5mm. Today we had forecast 5mm and we get almost 25mm. It’s what makes boating interesting, we follow the gauges, forecasts and look for any signs of water. Love it

Re: next step in when to go boating?

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:39 pm
by roo
Now this is getting interesting!

Love this shiv.

Re: next step in when to go boating?

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:45 pm
by morsey
My mother swears by thistle dew.

Re: next step in when to go boating?

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:17 pm
by roo
morsey wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:45 pm
My mother swears by thistle dew.
some fly-by-night web service - no doubt they are using Met Office data and puddle updates from the data lake......

Re: next step in when to go boating?

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:21 am
by DaveBland
All the technology and fandabbydosery is way better than it used to be, but nothing compared to taking a set of spare activity gear [Bike/money for pub etc] so if you get skunked, you can still play.

Re: next step in when to go boating?

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:56 am
by andypagett
DaveBland wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:21 am
All the technology and fandabbydosery is way better than it used to be, but nothing compared to taking a set of spare activity gear [Bike/money for pub etc] so if you get skunked, you can still play.
I am reminded of a quote on UKC from here - https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=267867
Bristol University Extreme Sports club stayed at the NMC hut a few years ago when I was there. It rained a bit so they went for a walk around the lake. After we'd had a session full of beer they got the p@ss taken out of them a little "Was it extremely wet?" etc etc

Re: next step in when to go boating?

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:46 am
by roo
andypagett wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:56 am
DaveBland wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:21 am
All the technology and fandabbydosery is way better than it used to be, but nothing compared to taking a set of spare activity gear [Bike/money for pub etc] so if you get skunked, you can still play.
I am reminded of a quote on UKC from here - https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=267867
Bristol University Extreme Sports club stayed at the NMC hut a few years ago when I was there. It rained a bit so they went for a walk around the lake. After we'd had a session full of beer they got the p@ss taken out of them a little "Was it extremely wet?" etc etc
As I said: love this shiv - or was I misteaken.

In all seriousness though - the next step is to use this level forecasting and IoT to put quotas on rivers based on GNSS fencing* - now there's some issues with unintended consequences here............but it would stop truck-loads of kayakers filling up the laybys next to rivers that happen to be "in nick"

No, it is not pick-on-nick day.

*fortunately the Cell service in upland areas will not support this at the moment.

Re: next step in when to go boating?

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:36 pm
by jmmoxon
Or you could just go live in the Alps & know you can paddle in the summer!

Mike

Re: next step in when to go boating?

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:11 am
by jmmoxon
Or maybe not after Brexit...

Interestingly the first link is lower than predicted, the second is higher & other 3 are pretty much spot on at moment.

Is the dart running seems to adjust to the latest report.

Mike

Re: next step in when to go boating?

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:20 am
by jmmoxon
John K wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:36 am
As well as the links above, the graph on "Is The Dart Running" offers a handy attempt at prediction too:

http://isthedartrunning.co.uk/graph.html
Unfortunately, even the "what's already happened" rain gauge data from dartcom isn't reliable, as it over-records when windy.

EA also have other rivers - Ure at Boroughbridge:
https://flood-warning-information.servi ... ation/8028

Mike

Re: next step in when to go boating?

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:40 am
by jmmoxon
Farson now combines rainfall & river level on a graph (no predictions though):
https://www.farsondigitalwatercams.com/ ... artmoor-tc

Re: next step in when to go boating?

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:11 am
by Jim
I've got to be honest, these days most of my river level planning involves checking the tide times and then looking out of the office window as it gets towards HW. I prefer to go around HW to negate the tidal effect on the river.