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Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:52 am
by Alec
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-no ... e-36785118

Is anyone here surprised by this? Must have been a fairly obvious risk of this in the risk assessment.

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:46 pm
by MikeVeal
Water quality within normal operating parameters?
Yeah, that's about the expected result then. Someone should have advised the runners to down a 2 litre bottle of coke straight after the event.

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:38 pm
by Jim
Why does everyone exaggerate it?

Worst I've had from HPP is a few days feeling queasy and gassy.

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:18 pm
by neonbowhawk
Jim I suppose you have built up quite a resistance to water nasties by now. But people not used to river water haven't.

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:18 pm
by Wets
Most people I know who paddle there have had it, including me, more than once. Regular visits soon build resistance though. Its hardly exaggerating it

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:19 pm
by morsey
Jim wrote:Why does everyone exaggerate it?

Worst I've had from HPP is a few days feeling queasy and gassy.
I know right, what a bunch of softies.

I've been affected a couple of times, you've clearly not experienced the full symptoms Jim.

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:44 am
by Kayacb
STATEMENT ON WATER QUALITY AT NATIONAL WATER SPORTS CENTRE
Posted by on 15th July 2016
LATEST NEWS:

Following a BBC report about competitors becoming unwell after competing in an extreme adventure race at the National Water Sports Centre last weekend, OSB Events would like to reassure competitors that the water meets all of the required standards ahead of forthcoming swimming and triathlon events.

The adventure race included crossing a small stretch of water between the regatta lake and the river, which is not used during the Outlaw Triathlon.

The regatta lake, where the Outlaw swim takes place, was treated for blue-green algae last month. A GO TRI event took place this week after it was confirmed that algae had been successfully removed from the swim course. The treatment for this is a natural process using barley straw.

OSB Events has worked very closely with the National Water Sports Centre to ensure that athlete safety is at the forefront of all event planning, and look forward to welcoming up to 2000 competitors to the venue next weekend for the Outlaw Triathlon, Big Swim and Future Outlaws events.

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- See more at: http://www.osbevents.com/news/statement ... Ce4rC.dpuf

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:45 am
by Kayacb
For extra non sensational views

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:10 am
by morsey
Non sensational! Non related to the area of concern more like.

Regatta lake has been used for years, not an issue. Plenty of Triathlon and other races happen without issues.

The side pound/same water as the river/white water course is a health hazard. It's been a health hazard for years. There are signs up advising to shower before eating or drinking after immersion.

Being resistant to or developing immunity doesn't dismiss the issue.

There are significant reports after all events at the venue to indicate there is high risk of infection from immersion.

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:58 pm
by Dave Manby
Every time it rains all that goose shit washes into the lake/river - shoot the geese!

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:06 pm
by Kayacb
The event described in the BBC article you're referring to doesn't involve the ww course it was an adventure race/fun run.

just keeping it relevant to the article you're using to support your argument.

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:14 pm
by Franky
Kayacb wrote:The event described in the BBC article you're referring to doesn't involve the ww course it was an adventure race/fun run.
From the article:

"Competitors also had to swim, with buoyancy aids, in the rapids section of a white water course"

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:24 am
by Dave Manby
MikeVeal wrote:Water quality within normal operating parameters?
Yeah, that's about the expected result then. Someone should have advised the runners to down a 2 litre bottle of coke straight after the event.
Why would that help? I know "the acid in the coke kills the bugs" or other such reasons. Your stomach acid is far more acidic than coke. This "cure/prevention tactic" is an old wives' tale but it does not stop the coke machine being refilled regularly!

I suppose down a 2 litre bottle of coke might work by causing you to vomit and eject the bugs along with the overload of sugar!

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:52 am
by Simon
"Every time it rains all that goose shit washes into the lake/river - shoot the geese!"

Got it in one Dave. As the BBC report said, it rained heavily a few hours before the event, and we have known for years that a summer rainstorm is the highest risk event for waterborne pathogens. All the bugs and cr*p that has built up in the streets and fields and ditches over many dry days gets washed into the river in a few hours.

Add to that lots of competitors who do not have the natural immunity that canoeists seem to have, and the fact that these competitors were possibly immersed a lot more than most boaters and probably swallowed as lot more water.

A triple whammy of known risk factors which says its no surprise quite a few of them got sick.

But the geese are probably innocent - save the geese.

Simon

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:21 am
by Dave Manby
The geese are illegal immigrants - the clue is in the name "Canada geese". It is always the immigrants who cause the trouble, stirring up unrest in people stomachs now! If it is not the Canada Geese then it must be the French Fries then!

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:26 pm
by MikeVeal
Dave Manby wrote: Why would that help? I know "the acid in the coke kills the bugs" or other such reasons. Your stomach acid is far more acidic than coke. This "cure/prevention tactic" is an old wives' tale but it does not stop the coke machine being refilled regularly!

I suppose down a 2 litre bottle of coke might work by causing you to vomit and eject the bugs along with the overload of sugar!
Substitute old paddler's for old wives' and you be about right. I know there are those who are sceptical and my comment was tongue in cheek just to annoy them, which seems to have worked :) !

All I can tell you is that late 1990's I took a group of non paddlers up there to go rafting. I think there were around 20 people. They were told about the old wives' tale. Around half made a point of having a couple of pints of coke, half didn't. The half that didn't all had a case of the trots, whilst of the others only one was ill. Although to be fair, it's entirely possible that it was my cooking rather than the water quality that ailed them. Anyroadooplike, believe what you want - it ain't my sphincter that'll suffer!

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:49 pm
by Franky
MikeVeal wrote:All I can tell you is that late 1990's I took a group of non paddlers up there to go rafting. I think there were around 20 people. They were told about the old wives' tale. Around half made a point of having a couple of pints of coke, half didn't. The half that didn't all had a case of the trots, whilst of the others only one was ill.
Placebo effect? It would have been interesting to see what the pattern was with a group who were given Coke but *not* told it prevented the trots.

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:45 pm
by MikeVeal
I think there would need to be a fourth group given Coke Zero.
(poor bastards.)

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:05 pm
by Chalky723
Isn't it something to do with the phosphates in it or something similar?

I personally have no problems believing that something capable of dissolving raw liver, teeth & of cleaning coins would be quite good at killing bacteria off if applied quickly......

D

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:14 pm
by Alec
The acid in your stomach will clean coins and dissolve raw liver and teeth far quicker than Coke will!

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:10 pm
by DaveBland
To be fair the Trent is in the middle of a big city, with other big cities upstream, plus loads of farming land. It all depends on what's upstream.

[Gloat alert!]

For example, if you have a glacier-fed river with no industry and a few cows and bears you get this in the city centre...

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Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:12 pm
by Dave Manby
Coke Classic 2.53
Stomach acid 2.00 (but as high as 1.0 if projectile vomiting is involved).

Given that Pepsi is
Pepsi 2.49 maybe you should drink Pepsi instead

(battery acid is 1.0)

Neutral is 7

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:37 pm
by Chalky723
I didn't say it was stronger than stomach acid. I just implied that, given its other properties, it's not beyond the realms of belief that it'll knock off a few river bacteria.

I've swallowed litres of the Trent with no discernible effect, but then I put on a stone in 3 weeks in Delhi, if I had a weaker constitution I'd probably be trying all sorts of "cures" rather than suffer though...

D

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:40 am
by g_mcmann
Public Health are now investigating http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-no ... e-36833814

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:42 pm
by scottdog007
morsey wrote:
Jim wrote:Why does everyone exaggerate it?

Worst I've had from HPP is a few days feeling queasy and gassy.
I know right, what a bunch of softies.

I've been affected a couple of times, you've clearly not experienced the full symptoms Jim.
Ha ha. I went there many times successively with out any problems and assumed I was immune to it. The on the last time I got the bug and gee I went down bad. I had to take the day off work and sit near a toilet. But I am a nancy southerner so I guess this can be expected.

Re: Mass outbreak of Trent trots!

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:17 pm
by Chalky723
Must be a slow news week if 25 people getting the shits is near the top of things to discuss.

Not sure what Public Health will find out given the transitory nature of water & its contents.....

D