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Grade 3 classics?

Post by andypagett » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:47 pm

Having done much less boating that I'd hoped this year, I'm a bit rusty, out of practice and lacking inspiration. I thought I'd try to get some by compiling a list of classic grade 3s that all club punters should tackle.

Probably open to debate about what defines a classic. And grade 3.

What are your classic grade 3 (3+ with the odd bit of 4 thrown in is good too) sections to tackle?

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Re: Grade 3 classics?

Post by Adrian Cooper » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:32 pm

Starter for 10 maily open canoe orientated

A Allen, Arkaig
C Clywedog
D Dart (Loop), Dee
E Eden (Cumbria)
F Findhorn
G Garry (Perthshire), Garry (Inverness shire)
L Loy, Lune
O Orchy
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T Tees, Teifi, Tryweryn, Twymyn, Tweed, Tywi, Tavy, Teign
U Middle Usk
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Re: Grade 3 classics?

Post by Mike M » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:49 pm

Slightly biased ..... But...... Lune,Rawthey & Clough. All can be done in a day, great water and great scenery ! (And yes I know that some people consider them a IV but that's at higher levels !! IMHO)
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Post by YorkieDave » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:29 pm

K Kent
L Leven
W Washburn
S Swale
U Ure

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Re: Grade 3 classics?

Post by DaveBland » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:22 am

Adrian Cooper wrote: "Arkaig"
...bollox
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Re: Grade 3 classics?

Post by Adrian Cooper » Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:41 am

Not a fan Dave?

I've paddled it once in canoe, I understand the local like it.

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Post by DaveBland » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:54 pm

Let's just say I wouldn't consider it a 'classic' :)
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Post by Andrew Battye » Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:05 pm

Seiont.

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Post by Yew » Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:23 pm

I'll have to say the wharfe.

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Re: Grade 3 classics?

Post by Jim » Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:31 pm

Adrian Cooper wrote:Not a fan Dave?

I've paddled it once in canoe, I understand the local like it.
Highly underrated river.
Runs when most things are low if you need a fix, but is at it's best when the Loch Arkaig road is flooded at the put in, so long as you have a boat fast enough to catch monster waves on the fly and a good instinct for dodging Rhododdododendrons (although they have been greatly hacked back over recent years - presumably to let indigenous plants grow).

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Post by Mark Dixon » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:09 pm

My favourite grade 3 to 3+ is the Middle Tavy near Tavistock from Hill Bridge to Harford Bridge, its 3 or 4 miles of pretty constant grade 3 but never really goes any higher than a 3+ untill it goes into the trees when paddling it is not recomended as theres cirtually nowhere to stop.
Apparently the Tavy is the steepest river in England from source to sea, the middle Tavy gradient I know is more per km than the Upper Dart.

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Post by DaveBland » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:55 pm

Jim wrote:
Adrian Cooper wrote:Not a fan Dave?

I've paddled it once in canoe, I understand the local like it.
Highly underrated river.
Runs when most things are low if you need a fix, but is at it's best when the Loch Arkaig road is flooded at the put in, so long as you have a boat fast enough to catch monster waves on the fly and a good instinct for dodging Rhododdododendrons (although they have been greatly hacked back over recent years - presumably to let indigenous plants grow).
yeah, yeah, but... if there are really good water levels then there are better alternatives around there. Plus yes, it does run when not much else does, but it's arguably only worth it as a 'pretty drift'.
Okay, I've got a downer on it. Also the Craig [?] in the Lakes too.
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Re: Grade 3 classics?

Post by SimonMW » Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:37 am

The Arkaig is only 1ft long isn't it?

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Re: Grade 3 classics?

Post by David Robinson » Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:02 pm

Conway on a low/medium? Llugwy?

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Post by Mark R » Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:46 pm

Yealm...
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Re: Grade 3 classics?

Post by DaveBland » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:26 pm

Isn't anything under grade four considered 'flat water' these days? [Insert smiley winking emoji to show I'm joking]
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Re: Grade 3 classics?

Post by SimonMW » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:47 pm

Isn't anything under grade four considered 'flat water' these days? [insert smiley winking emoji to show I'm joking]
Trouble is that for many people you are right!

Here's one. Tees Greta?

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Re: Grade 3 classics?

Post by andypagett » Fri Nov 27, 2015 9:10 am

DaveBland wrote:Isn't anything under grade four considered 'flat water' these days? [insert smiley winking emoji to show I'm joking]
If you style it, then yes. Otherwise, it's considered 'grade 4 on this level'.

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Post by Mark Dixon » Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:20 am

Mark R wrote:Yealm...
I was out the other week when we had 75mm of rain and this was discussed as an option, we settled for the Tavy Cleave which was great, is the Yealm worth doing or is it a treefest?
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Post by Mark Gawler » Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:37 am

Mark Dixon wrote: is the Yealm worth doing or is it a treefest?
It has the potential to be a treefest, but it wasn't when we ran it, Its worth doing for a bit of variety and novelty factor.
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Post by Mark Dixon » Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:48 pm

Mark Gawler wrote:
Mark Dixon wrote: is the Yealm worth doing or is it a treefest?
It has the potential to be a treefest, but it wasn't when we ran it, Its worth doing for a bit of variety and novelty factor.
How long ago did you run it Mark?

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Post by Mark R » Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:23 pm

I ran it with Mark G 18 months ago. It's not a tree fest, it's too big a river for that.
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Post by Paul L » Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:13 pm

SimonMW

Here's one. Tees Greta?
Great choice.

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Post by Lancs_lad » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:10 pm

What defines a classic? The rapids? The scenery? Reliability? The clubability?

I would say for me it has to be the rapids. So with this in mind I would add the Roeburn in high water. At no point do the rapids get above grade 3 but eddies disappear and the trees can become an issue. So this removes it from any club grade 3 paddlers.

If Im honest most grade 3 in the UK is boring (at the levels most paddle said grade 3 rivers). It is far from continuous like say for example the Soca (best grade 3 in europe?)

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Post by clarky999 » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:20 pm

North Esk (ok has two g4s).

Findhorn Gorge in low water (ok also has two g4s).

Tryweryn?

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Post by mole » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:36 am

Nith - totally awesome and different in character as you go down the run.

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Post by Strad » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:18 am

Lancs_lad wrote: So this removes it from any club grade 3 paddlers.
I may be missing something, but surely either someone can comfortably paddle grade 3 or they can't what is the difference between grade 3 or club grade 3 that you are asserting?

As for most uk g3 being boring- all depends on what you do with it? small boat and play the living daylights out of it can make less challenging water more interesting? That said I'm not sure what I would classify as classic grade 3 :-).
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Re: Grade 3 classics?

Post by DaveBland » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:05 pm

Strad wrote:
Lancs_lad wrote: So this removes it from any club grade 3 paddlers.
I may be missing something, but surely either someone can comfortably paddle grade 3 or they can't what is the difference between grade 3 or club grade 3 that you are asserting?

As for most uk g3 being boring- all depends on what you do with it? small boat and play the living daylights out of it can make less challenging water more interesting? That said I'm not sure what I would classify as classic grade 3 :-).

A similar delineation between the "Grade 5 paddler" who is a grade 3-4 boater who has run a few grade 5 drops and a "Grade 5 paddler" who is comfortable on sustained foreign grade 5?
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Post by clarky999 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:07 pm

Also the Doon has to be one of the most fun g3s around if you like techy stuff.

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Post by buck197 » Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:26 pm

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