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first swim/roll

Post by filo » Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:31 pm

As a newbie to this and only been on the river a couple of times,nearly drowned on first go "pull the what" .I now goto the baths each week and the good people ive met (dave nightshift being one) shown me how to bail out first lesson and is now teaching me to roll. My reactions are pretty quick and somehow i hav'nt gone over since (i think i need to) i dont think about going over but its at the back of my mind how i'll react on moving water, my mates tell me just try and roll if it dont work then just rip deck and get out.
So how was your first swim/roll, panic or controled? terrified or laid back?

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Post by Dave @ TRC » Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:39 pm

My first roll was on Chester weir i was 15 in My slalom boat was buzzing all week afterwards.


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Post by steveparry » Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:56 pm

My first swim was on the flat water right above Grandtully on the Tay...it was in an Acrobat 280...first time in a kayak...I swam the whole lot...it put me off for a while I have to say. My first roll was on the Tryweryn, good job too as my mate who 'leading me' was surfing miles upstream. Good times. Keep with it, it is so worth the effort.
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Post by Mathew » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:06 pm

My first swim was at Marple, those Damn edges. It was around December and was cold.

I'll predict your first swim will be playing, probably at Mile End Mill.

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Post by Ed Lefley » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:45 pm

That's why i hate playing.... they expect you to willingly go into one of the holes at JJs and get trashed... saying that last time i was there i did manage to roll ok.... amazingly
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Post by Mark R » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:49 pm

Coventry bloody Canal.
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Post by JamesA » Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:02 pm

Filo:
The best advice I can give about stopping the panic, is getting to the side of a river where you can hold onto the bank (ie. canal with concrete bank) and gently lower yourself under the water. The same technique with the eskimo rescue (holding onto someone else's boat at the front) and lowering yourself in, is great for acclimatising to the water.

When the water shock goes, you can concentrate on rolling, or waiting for someone else to eskimo rescue yourself.

My first ever roll (pawlata) was 15 years ago in the school pool, although my first ever screw roll was only last July and was a liberating experience to say the least.
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Post by Ryan Clements » Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:06 pm

The Wey navigation in Guilford, I think that's what it's called. From a marathon boat after getting a little too confident too quickly- "ya wanna race!".

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Post by madocks » Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:02 am

Ruling out play swimming pools and play waves.....

First roll - serpents tail, the guys i was with were well impressed. Before I tackled any white water i spent around 6-8 hours in the pool, rolling and rolling and rolling. By the time I hit the water, natural reflexes took over and I was upright again. Didn't really think about it.

First swim - Trewryn, graveyard, bit of an epic!!!!!! battered and bruised

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Post by Tom_Laws » Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:24 am

First swim? err, I have no idea,

First roll? On the river axe, and it was a pawlatta :P

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Post by PhilC » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:04 am

I am also a Newbie, and my first roll was just before Christmas.

I had been taking lessons in rolling for quite a while, but couldn't get the hang of it, then while turning sharply I went over. Without any thought at all, I rolled back up, really pleased with myself. I held the paddles over my head in celebration and then realised that all the others had been watching and they all applauded and cheered. It was a great experience.

Unfortunately a couple of weeks later I lost the knack and it has been a hard slog getting it back. I first rolled in a Method Air, but now have gone "back" to a Pyrhana 200 which is a lot easier to roll.

My first T rescue didn't go so well. That was on the Trent. I went over but after grabbing my rescuers boat, let go and had to swim out. That made me nervous for the next time, so when I came to do it I resolved only to grab the boat and pull myself horizontal so that I could breath, and then get up from there. That worked better, and now I can do it easily.

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Post by StoneWeasel » Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:50 am

My first swim? I honestly can not remember but Iwould guess at it being my eirly days of kayaking trying to learn to surf (initially in a felcion(sp?) 385).

My first roll in anger? upper Tamar pulling pop outs on popout weir. We would pop out then swim while nice people behind us picked up the boat and pushed it to the side for us to empty and go again). We had been doing this for a while when I poped aut went upside down and from nowhere rolled (had done a couple of rolls in the pool but was sketchy and had never managed in anger before), I never looked back and pretty quickly built up a pretty bombproof roll.

screw rolling on my left was a little stranger as for years and years I struggled with this and eventually gave up and settled on the fact that if I needed to roll on my left then it would just have to be a reverse screw (which I could do fine on either side). a few years ago (or possably last year) in a pool session sombody asked me to demontrate a left hand screw roll, I pointed out that I could not but agreed to give it a try, I came up no problem wioth a roll equally as smooth and nice as on my right hand side. Needless to say I now can screw roll fine on left and right.

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Post by SheffieldLee » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:59 am

First Swim: The Ure at Sleaningford (sp?) mill. I decided to superman it much against the advice of the people trying to get me out. My knee was in agony for weeks!

First Roll: Valentine hole (the one just up from the bottom hole) at Teesside white water course. I was so elated that I nearly dropped down the next bit backwards!

I found my roll came and went far too much for my liking in the early days. It appears to be here to stay now.... But we'll see.

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Post by Grandad » Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:12 am

First swim I can remember was at 'Hell Hole' on the Wye. First roll was far too many years later. I really had a hard time getting over the panic and took to throwing my paddles away whenever I capsized. This meant I had to learn to hand roll and for years this was my only way of self righting. My advice is to learn to roll as early as possible in your paddling life. Spend literally hours in the pool going over and over again. Try rolling without setting up first, then try with the paddles rotated wrong, then try with only one hand on the paddle (at the start). All these things will mean rolling in difficult ways becomes second nature. Use your inagination to make the pool roll harder as you get better. My favourite now is to do four rolls in a row, two front screws on either side and two reverse screws on either side.
As for on the river, i've invested in an earwig and noseclip. For me, they massively reduce the cold shock and result in a relaxed roll.
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Post by StoneWeasel » Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:48 am

I help to teach rolling in the pool quite a bit and I think the thing that holds most people back with there rolling is the panic factor.
This is fairly understandable as being upsidedown and under water is not naturally considered to be a comfy place to be.
Unfortunatly even when people seem to feel comfortable underwater there body does not always do what they want straight away. In other words some people can find it hard to stop reaching for the air with there head (garenteed to mess up your roll).
To try and get learner rollers over this I try to get them used to sitting upside down by taking there paddles off them and telling them to sit upsideown for as long as they are comfortable then bang the sides and I'll pull them back up. I try to do this encoraging them to stay a little longer each timeuntill they are staying under and sitting calmly for at least 15 - 20 seconds.
I find this massivly helps in stopping the head reaching for air and therefore the progression of rolling.

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Post by maryinoxford » Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:24 pm

I can't roll, and don't need to, paddling flatwater. But I have practised wet exits and eskimo rescues, first in a pool, then in a river, always with helpers standing by. Very, very useful.

I've only made one unplanned swim, caused by over-rotating when paddling backwards on a one-star course. I don't think I panicked, but when I found myself underwater without having taken a deep breath or braced myself for it, there was definitely a sense of urgency about releasing the deck and getting myself out of the boat. No way would I have wasted time banging the bottom to see if anyone would give me a rescue.

Still, not a waste of time. A 2-star student on the same course was due to practise deep-water rescues, so I became his subject.

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Post by mharrall » Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:00 pm

First swim at Bradford on Avon, 3rd time paddling but first time in a proper racing boat. Managed about 100m before it all went pear shaped.

First "genuine not expecting to go over" whitewater roll was at the slalom site at Bourg on the Isere. Before that I had done several successful ones on moving water but they were just practice ones. I had learned to roll in a pool many years before that, but had never used it in anger because you don't get a chance to when you fall out of a racing boat.
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Post by madocks » Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:35 pm

whilst learning to roll, i found that in a swimming pool the use of goggles is good to understand the blade positioning relative to the surface. Once the technique basics are there, remove them.

They also help to calm the person whilst upside down.

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Post by Padski » Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:30 pm

My first swim was on the river Swale grinton - richmond i flipped at after richmond falls and forgot how to roll.

My first roll was on the river tees while shooting abbey rapids. I think i was bouncing around for a month afterwards.

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Post by boater rich » Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:38 pm

First Swim- River Severn at shrewsbury. I blame the odd right handed paddles (I'm a lefty)

First Roll - Dee at Eddylines, just before going out the Alps for the 1st time.

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Post by James Hartley » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:01 pm

I remember learning to roll on Thompsons lodge in the middle of Queens park in burnley over 10 years ago, it was me and a friend, and we took it in turns standing next to each other (the water was only chest deep) to offer support or rescue as the need arouse. I seem to recall trying a roll at the bottom wave under the bridge at the burrs as one (proabably my first) of my first moving water rolls, it was a case of paddle out capsize, set up, wait for the boat to settle, and roll. Which I managed, sadly it was quite awhile after this before I got a working roll, that I could use in anger, and I honestly can't remember when or where it was that I did it. Nor can I remember my first swim, but I do know that it wasn't on my first river trip, that was on the ribble, and I managed that upright all the way
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Post by Poke » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:09 pm

First roll (on a river) - 5th March 1995 (I have a very detailed kayaking log)... I was 12 and very excited until I came up and icecream head set in.

First swim... god knows... I used to be very scared about wearing spraydecks though, and paddled for about 2 years without one when I was very little!
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Post by DannyT » Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:33 pm

PhilC wrote:Unfortunately a couple of weeks later I lost the knack and it has been a hard slog getting it back.
I had that phase, had a pretty good roll then just lost it completely. Then got it back.

1st Roll, while surfing at whitesands bay. And/or playing at morriston weirs.

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Post by Dave W » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:35 pm

My first roll was at the tees barrage, got back looped. First swim was straight after this roll, didn't even have time for a breath. And since my roll took so long i just thought 'sod it' and bailed.

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Post by DaveCC » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:47 am

First swim - River Tay at Grandtully

First WW roll - River Tay at Stanley

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Post by PhilC » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:51 am

PhilC wrote:
Unfortunately a couple of weeks later I lost the knack and it has been a hard slog getting it back.


I had that phase, had a pretty good roll then just lost it completely. Then got it back.
Went to the club last night, asked for some pointers on my roll, and was given loads of different things that weren't right. Trying to remember all of them and complete the roll was impossible and I lost my ability again.

My trainer then took me slowly through each point and got me rolling myself again after each point so that I remembered it without forgetting the roll itself.

How come with every different stroke or technique that I have learned and can accomplish people later on say "It'll work better of you...." and reel off one hundred things to remember while completing what was originally a simple manoeuver?

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Post by quicky » Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:59 am

Fist Roll - Hand Roll, Chester Weir. (Could not paddle roll at the time but could hand roll no problem) Something to do with the water temp and the fact I was wearing only t-shirt and shorts with a crapy cag over the top.

First Swim - Same place when I tried to paddle role.

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Post by Grumpy Fisherman » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:57 pm

First swim - The Wharfe, just upstream from Weatherby

First roll - surfing at Scarborough

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Post by jonba » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:39 pm

First Swim - Town Falls, Dee, out of a river racer.

First Roll- Race course section of the tees, the wave/ hole just after the get on (caravan site).

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Post by buck197 » Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:47 pm

First swim in WW - Lower dart

First Roll in WW in anger - Yet to be done, can roll on WW when I want to do it (ie a roll by choice) but can't do it when I need to do it (ie Lovers Leap on Sunday!!!!!!!!!!!). Am really frustrated with this but am working on it.

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