The problem with BA sizing...

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The problem with BA sizing...

Post by biketastik » Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:51 am

Yep, I need a new BA.

But there's a problem.

It would appear I am too skinny for M/L sizes and too heavy for S/M sizes!

This I'm sure you will agree is a ridiculous state of affairs.

Could anybody help me with this problem?

I am a 38 inch chest and hit the scale at around 78-80kg currently.

Cheers!

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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by DaveBland » Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:21 am

Not trying to be a dick, but have you tried them with full gear on? A drysuit, layer of fleece etc make quite a difference. I say this as I was torn between the M and L Kokatat Ronin in the shop, and plumped for the L. With gear on, there are days when I struggle to get it done up.
Some of them have adjustment straps too*

*[That was me being a dick]
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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by dexter123 » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:20 am

I have the same issue, weighing at 82 kg, but what Dave says is valid. That said I find Palm BAs loose, even with a drysuit. However I did find that the peakUk BAs were a good fit. Also depends on your torso shape

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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by Chalky723 » Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:33 am

I believe the only difference between the M/L & L/XL Astral Greenjackets are the strap lengths - I went from a L/XL to a M/L with no "sinking" feelings.

I'm assuming it would be the same with the S/M & M/L - looking at the sizes HERE the only difference appears to be chest size catered for, not weight....

They're extremely adjustable and also easy on/off....

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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by swimboater » Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:46 pm

I wear a Palm Amp M/L but according to my weight I should wear an XL/XXL.
The XL/XXL seemed to be fitted for heavy fat people but not heavy tall 6'6" people like me.
The XL/XXL was not comfortable as it was too wide and bulky.
The label on the M/L says 50-70kg paddler weight, 70N buoyancy.
I weigh about 100kg so a lot (nearly 50%) over the recommended weight.
The XL/XXL had 75N of buoyancy so only 5N different (less than 10%)
I work on the basis that correct fit is more important than the 5N additional buoyancy.

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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by Xan » Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:39 am

Fit it much more important than the weight. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't want to be wearing one with a massivve difference, but better that than wearing one that is going to come off.

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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by Seedy Paddler » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:27 pm

The weight range is far more likely to relate to the potential extension and is not related to the buoyancy. Buoyancy aids must meet EN393 with a minimum of 50N uplift, the uplift is the force applied by the buoyancy and excludes body weight. Personal choice if you want a little more buoyancy support or not, manufacturer will label with available uplift as new - it will degrade over time and use.

So check the fit for you subject to body shape then decide if you want to try for more or less support. Buoyancy aid under EN393 is only designed to provide additional support fro a conscious swimmer in sheltered water.

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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by biketastik » Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:57 pm

So I managed to get to a shop and try as many on as I could (5) and found the Amp to be a good fit but not stocked in my size in a non hideous colour, the extreme to be an unnecessary expense with too much to fall to bits and be fiddly with cold hands, the Greenjacket not to be stocked in my size only XXL and the Peak River Guide to be an uncomfortable fit. In the end I went for an FxR because it fit well and in a size that included my weight, I could also have it in a nice red colour, top job.

Thanks for your advice guys. Oh and Dave, I paddle all year round with often only a thermal on in the summer so it has to fit summer and winter size me, I simulated this with first only a t-shirt on then a big fat fleecy hoody.

Lets hope I don't snap a buckle on this one like I did on my Axis...

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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by DaveBland » Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:59 am

biketastik wrote: Oh and Dave, I paddle all year round with often only a thermal on in the summer so it has to fit summer and winter size me,
Sorry for being a dick. I'm just jealous of all year paddling.
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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by biketastik » Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:23 pm

No worries, we can't all be paid to have fun in the sun ;)

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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by Spamalot » Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:45 am

I have the same problem. Although I have an amp at the minute and a 37inch chest. My amp is too big but im also 82 kg! My main thing is I can't find one that will fit me for both summer and winter that is comfy and doesn't feel awkward. And wanting to stay away form Palm this time around.

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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by SimonMW » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:52 am

Try the new Yak ones. They are well featured, and Yak as a company has gone through a lot of changes recently, and the new products look really good. Though I realise they have an uphill battle to shrug off the "club kit" image. Definitely check them out though.

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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by Spamalot » Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:17 pm

Thanks for the advice Simon but Iv tried some o theirs and they just feel awkward and very bulky in the front. Couldn't quite get a good fit with it on either. Might have to retry it on with someone who works at the shop

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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by SimonMW » Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:25 pm

Did you try the new ones? The latest ones are quite low profile. My girlfriend tried one after she was fed up with the way the Palm ones stuck out a lot.

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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by Spamalot » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:31 am

Yea Simon I've tried the Hallertau but wasn't that keen on the whole design but Im going to go back and try it on again with other BA's. Im not to keen on the buckle as I was struggling to do it even without cold hands so that is a worry for one.

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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by DaveBland » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:10 am

Not feeling dicky any more. So to be helpful, I tried the NRS Zen t'other day. Really fit nice. I also tried Kokatat, and Green and it was amazing the difference. To look at the NRS, it was bottom of the list, but when on, was a great fit. I'm a similar size to you. May be worth a try on?
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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by MikeVeal » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:27 am

biketastik wrote:Yep, I need a new BA.

But there's a problem.

It would appear I am too skinny for M/L sizes and too heavy for S/M sizes!

This I'm sure you will agree is a ridiculous state of affairs.

Could anybody help me with this problem?

I am a 38 inch chest and hit the scale at around 78-80kg currently.

Cheers!
Sure, no problem. Try this .


ETA:
As Simon W pointed out to me after I'd just bought some shiny new kit, dull and muted colours are camouflage. Vibrant and hideous colours can be easily seen, which if you hang around here long enough to watch the pin/swim/broach/rescue videos you'll realise is important.

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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by Spamalot » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:18 am

Dave where did you try the NRS kokatat and Green jacket on in one shop? might be worth a visit if it is not to far away.
Mike That just makes my gut bigger and not my chest so not much help but will have to try anyway.

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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by DaveBland » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:26 am

Spamalot wrote:...if it is not to far away.
It was in Aquabatics, the best paddling shop this side of the country. Unfortunately for you the county's Canada.
Now if you combine your BA scouting with taking advantage of En Nino's early season gifts to our slopes, you could be in for a bargain. The exchange rate will make it 110 quid.
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Re: The problem with BA sizing...

Post by Jim » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:43 am

You should be able to try Kokatat and Astral at Sea Kayak Oban, not sure about NRS, they carry some bits and pieces but don't recall seeing any BAs.

Got a feeling Des mes have Kokatat and Astral for English based shoppers?

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