Welsh Dee Access

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flipt
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Welsh Dee Access

Post by flipt » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:08 pm

Hi all, i am sure no one has missed that there is an organisation under the name Welsh Dee Partnership seeking to restrict access on the Welsh Dee, nor that the company is actually just an angling organisation using a generic name.

Im also sure most of you are aware that there is a petition attempting to stop it in its tracks and complaints to official bodies flying all over the place.

MORE support is NEEDED. Us paddlers (including me until recent months) are really terrible at acting on our beliefs. For many years now, the access debate has from our side been left to governing bodies and small pockets of individuals because we all think its easier for other people to sort. Its progressing, but terribly terribly slowly.
Because of this attitude and actions, opposing groups are mobilising and gaining government SPLASH funding which was set up to help groups like us. We dont get it because we play victim!

If people really truly want hassle free access we really really need to put the effort in. ALL OF US.

Please please can all those people who agree with the work being done to ensure we can all carry on enjoying the Dee without draconian fishing club restrictions - DO - SOMETHING. Even if its just a signature on the petition thats a massive help. Yes there are already 800 names on there, but an estimated 1,000,000 people got in a canoe or kayak last year. 800 is a tiny fraction of us. Please show your support.

Those who wish to go a little further, 'like' or comment on the post made to the NRW facebook page with whatever your thoughts - agree or disagree (link below) or further, write to your AM or MP, or directly to NRW or welsh government. BE HEARD.

We cant complain in the background and moan every time we see Mark Lloyd selling his wares on tv and wishing Canoe Wales or England would do something......they wont! That leaves it to ALL OF US.

Thanks for reading, here is where you can do something from easiest to more involved (writing emails - not exactly being a martyr!)
Petition - http://www.change.org/p/natural-resourc ... artnership
Reply or support post on NRW facebook page https://www.facebook.com/NatResWales/po ... 6011487174
Llangollen town council email http://www.llangollentowncouncil.co.uk/contact/
Natural Resource Wales Complaints email; complaintsandcommendations@cyfoethnaturiolcymru.gov.uk
contact your MP (england) http://findyourmp.parliament.uk/
Contact your AM (Wales) http://www.assemblywales.org/en/memhome ... mhome.aspx
Complain to public services ombudsman wales http://www.ombudsman-wales.org.uk/

Raising awareness is a start - and i really urge you to do it. Action forces action however - i am happy being a martyr but i wont do it for a group who wont act too.
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Re: Welsh Dee Access

Post by Pam Bell » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:29 pm

Well done with the petition :-)

I know from experience that it`s all too easy for the powers that be to dismiss one person as a troublemaker when they continually point out obvious facts that on-one wants to acknowledge, so we all need to get behind this.

When we are writing to our representatives, remember that in Wales each of us is represented by two AM`s (one regional), so write to both. Also to your Welsh MP.

It may also help keep their attention if we relate the Dee issue to any applicable SPLASH funding issue on your MP/AM`s own `patch` if other than the Dee catchment.

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Re: Welsh Dee Access

Post by flipt » Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:22 pm

Thanks Pam,
and excellent points that i hadn't considered - more letters for me to write tomorrow!

Please please guys, get behind this in any way you can - EVERY letter counts, just 5 mins of your time expressing your opinion on any of the listed channels will make some difference. We dont have the money or the influence of those wishing to restrict us but we do have the numbers......IF we ALL make some move!!

I really hope we can save any further SPLASH funding being wasted on other similar projects, and get it better invested in encouraging more members of public into the outdoors, and providing sustainable infrastructure as it was intended.

Pam, fingers crossed this results in a more productive outcome than the other 'closer to home' movement a couple of months ago eh?
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Re: Welsh Dee Access

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Re: Welsh Dee Access

Post by Mark RW » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:36 pm

Just had a reply from Antoinette Sandbach our regional AM in North Wales, and shadow minister of the enviroment. After I pointed out that Wales Dee Partnership is claiming funding unethically, she replied that this was nothing compared to the £1.5 million that Canoe Wales had received. She also said we were breaking the law by being on the river and that canoiests are rude and aggressive, apparently she has had first hand experience of this, but after reading her reply I can sympathise with anyone that she confronts. Anyway I think we can safely say that she is definitely in the other camp.

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Re: Welsh Dee Access

Post by flipt » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:50 pm

mark, would you mind forwarding that to me if possible? I am trying to compile as much as i can on the subject and am very much moving into the political circle.
gradientfood@gmail.com (or use the welsh dee partnership facts and petition page on facebook)

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Re: Welsh Dee Access

Post by icklepaddler » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:32 pm

Mark RW wrote:Just had a reply from Antoinette Sandbach our regional AM in North Wales, and shadow minister of the enviroment. After I pointed out that Wales Dee Partnership is claiming funding unethically, she replied that this was nothing compared to the £1.5 million that Canoe Wales had received. She also said we were breaking the law by being on the river and that canoiests are rude and aggressive, apparently she has had first hand experience of this, but after reading her reply I can sympathise with anyone that she confronts. Anyway I think we can safely say that she is definitely in the other camp.
I just love her last blog entry, with all that needs improving in Wales, she is moaning that £54k pa plus expenses is just not enough! How can one possibly cope or do the job on such a low wage?

I wonder where she has got the impression that we are rude? There must be a back story that we are not aware of.

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Re: Welsh Dee Access

Post by quicky » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:59 pm

Antoinette Sandbach was part of the meetings on access with fishing groups like AT and the Countryside alliance.
Check out her comments and you'll know where her priorities lie.....

http://www.countryside-alliance.org/ca/ ... andbach-am

http://yourvoiceintheassembly.co.uk/openaccessonline/

When people asked civil questions as to why she was backing one side before the meeting she became all defensive....

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Re: Welsh Dee Access

Post by mudlark » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:52 am

There is (what I think is) a Canal and Rivers Trust van around the Llangollen area. If you read the statements on the backdoor etc. it sounds like they want us on rivers as well as canals.....

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